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4.0 vs 3.8L engine- is 4.0 that much beter?

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4.0 vs 3.8L engine- is 4.0 that much beter? by wp746911
Apr 02, 2009 (6:42 am)
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I am looking at getting a new t&c minivan. The 3.3L/4 auto is out of the question-underpowered 4-speed=no thank you.
 
The 3.8L 6 speed seems reasonable- I like the 6 speed and the power is reasonable. Plus the motor is well proven.
 
However, when I look at the 4.0L I feel like I am missing out. A more powerful engine that is MORE fuel efficient? Am I missing something? Why is this not on more versions rather than the top of the line?
 
I am currently looking at a T&C limited (msrp 35k, offered at 26k!!!). This thing is very nice- has loads of nice options, but I just wish it had a 4.0L. To get the 4.0L I have to step up to the limited (msrp 37k base- the ones I see are generally 40k base- not sure what the offer would be but they would have to be around 30k). I just wish they wouldn't only offer the top of the line engine in the top of the line van.
 
I know the dodge has more options, but my wife really doesnt like the dodge look.
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Very Happy with the 4.0L by tom_in_az
Apr 02, 2009 (7:14 am)
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Hello there,
I About 3 weeks about we traded in our 2005 T&C Limited (with the 3.8L motor) for a 2008 T&C Limited (with the 4.0L motor). This is our third T&C Limited in the past 12 years, and all have worked very well without needing too much to be happy. The only major things that I can comment on about on our second T&C was the power steering pump setup had issues, but was always covered under warranty.
 
Back to your question... The 4.0L motor is a DREAM on the highway. It makes the van feel like you are driving with a V8 motor under the hood. It is very smooth in stop and go of local streets. I did drive a 2009 with a 3.8L and the 6 speed, and there is still a big difference. This 4.0L is so smooth that my wife is complaining less about her back pain (she is in a wheelchair & paralyzed from the waist down). I just feather the gas peddle and I am at local cruising speed.
 
When I purchased it there was 24 miles on the odometer, and so far I have about put about 1700 miles onto the van. My son loves the MyGIG setup with the SiriusTV (Disney, Nick, Cartoon Network) & DVD player in the rear. The wife loves that she can watch movies in the front if we are parked along with the swivel & go heated chairs (makes it easy for her to enjoy the drive-in movie theater). The 4.0L motor, 6 speed with auto-stick, sun roof, closing button for the tail gate, MyGig, NAV, the new keyfobs with remote start, and opening side-door windows are my favorites for the van.
 
Tips when buying:
Get one with a dark interior. The light color tan that we have is always in need of extra cleaning, including the seat leather. I am going to need to purchase seat covers as even our jeans are rubbing off onto the seats.
 
Try to get the dealer to include window tinting, the sun really creates a good Greenhouse effect in this van due to all of the window space.
 
Good luck, and I hope that it serves you well. Take advantage of the employee pricing, rebates, and the lifetime warranty on the drive-train.
Tom
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Re: Very Happy with the 4.0L [tom_in_az] by wp746911
Apr 02, 2009 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: tom_in_az (Apr 02, 2009 7:14 am)

so you were able to get a limited with the 4.0L option? My dealer told me they don't do that but the website shows it as an option- I just can't find any locally (Houston) that has that. So I'm not sure if the lack of 4.0 is a deal breaker or not yet...
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Re: Very Happy with the 4.0L [wp746911] by tom_in_az
Apr 02, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: wp746911 (Apr 02, 2009 7:32 am)

Yes, and they had lots more of those vans over here at the dealer I go to.
 
They said just about the only option I didn't get was the tow hitch in the rear. Something I need to call UHaul to get a price on.
 
You might want to call across the state some since the dealers can transfer sock around. Maybe it is worth a trip to Austin or San Antonio.
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T&C Touring with 4.0L by hummer1940
Apr 08, 2009 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: tom_in_az (Apr 02, 2009 8:41 am)

We just bought a 2009 T&C Touring with the 4.0L engine. I believe that the 4.0L engine is only available with the Touring model if you get the new 25th anniversary edition packaging (28M in our case). This new package is just starting to get into the dealerships. This was the perfect package for us, we got all the items that we wanted without having to go with the Limited, and we saved a few thousand dollars. (We also got the security package which has the backup camera, sensors, bluetooth, blind spot monitoring, etc). They have a $1525 package discount on the anniversary packaging, and then you also get the DVD credit ($1400?), the employee pricing, $1500 customer cash, 0% for 36 months, and then whatever else you can bargain. It really is a heck of a deal right now. This is our 4th Chrysler/Dodge minivan, and this one is the quietest, most powerful, and smoothest that we have owned. Our most recent T&C was a 2005 Touring with the luxury package, and we really loved that van too, but this one is even better (so far). We have not had it long enough to get a good mileage number, but we are going on a long trip next week and hope to get over 25 mpg.
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Re. T&C Touring with 4.0L by tom_in_az
Apr 08, 2009 (9:45 pm)
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Please report back the numbers that you get. I didn't crunch numbers or anything, I just used the on board computer on a small 3 hour highway trip. Now I didn't realize it was possible to reset that computer otherwise I would have done so on the highway. However between the local and then the highway driving I was getting an average of a little over 18mpg. Now I also had to vary the throttle a lot due to engine break in procedures, but I was rather happy with how long the gas lasted on the highway.
Tom
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Re: T&C Touring with 4.0L [hummer1940] by wp746911
Apr 09, 2009 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: hummer1940 (Apr 08, 2009 5:21 pm)

thanks for info- yeah that is what I was figuring out- you have to get the 25th anniv. package to get the 4.0. One dealer I talked to was clueless, the other had several nice 4.0L packages available but wouldn't budge below 31k for a 35kmsrp van whereas the 3.8L 25th anniv. van with msrp 35k can be had for 26k at a different dealer. It's annoying- when I buy a car I like to get the best powertrain out there. I like how honda/toyota does there vans with little/no powertrain variation. I hate this game chrysler is playing iwth 3 engines and 2 trannys. I think the base should be the 3.8L, with the touring and limited having the 4.0L...
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Re: T&C Touring with 4.0L [wp746911] by hummer1940
Apr 09, 2009 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: wp746911 (Apr 09, 2009 6:33 am)

$31K for a $35K MSRP? You gotta be kidding! The employee pricing already knocks off around $4K. Then you have the $1500 customer cash, and another $1400 or so for the DVD credit (assuming the van has the DVD system in it). That's $7K already. And from what I've seen on the web forums, you should be able to get a total of $8K to $10K off the list depending on how hard you want to bargain. I am in the Chicago area, and in my case I got mine for $9,000 off the MSRP, and I am not a real hard bargainer. I only really wanted the 25th anniversary packaging (28M) and the Security package, but this van also had the navigation and the backseat TV. We'll use the navigation, but we'll never use the backseat TV since our kids are 19-23 and they don't watch Nickelodeon, Disney or Cartoon Network. No grandkids on the horizon yet either.
 
Your dealer must be the only Chrysler dealer in the country that is not dealing? Hard to imagine.
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bum deals by wp746911
Apr 09, 2009 (3:53 pm)
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lol yeah I'm not really sure. I live in houston so they have LOTS of competition. Unfortunately, very very few people get 4.0L in the touring around the houston area. I was pumped when I found this dealer but then they quoted me the poor price. I flatly told them I was getting quotes of 26.5k for a similar (within a few hundred) msrp vehicle (no 4.0 but with nav- the 4.0 is more important). The dude sounded shocked, supposedly 'looked into a few things' then called me back and said he didn't think they could go that low. Obviously they can b/c we've seen it many times on this forum. I dunno, I've about given up on the chryslers. I really want the 4.0L but don't want to have to get the limited to get it ($$) and evidently in the 4th largest city in the US I can't find a dealer that has the options I want that can offer a competitive price...
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Re: bum deals [wp746911] by hummer1940
Apr 09, 2009 (4:55 pm)
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Replying to: wp746911 (Apr 09, 2009 3:53 pm)

If you can wait just a little, the 25th anniversary editions only started rolling out to dealers a few weeks ago. I know the one we bought was delivered March 24th so it was on the lot for under 2 weeks. It looks like the Chicago area has a lot more of them than the Houston area. It must be because Houston is a lot farther from Windsor, Ontario than Chicago is. They really are a nice van. Like you, I really wanted the 4.0L engine but did not want to pay for all the stuff that comes in the Limited. The 4.0L engine really makes the van move out smartly, maybe not like my Cadillac CTS, but pretty good for a minivan. I also love the IPOD interface, the 30GB hard drive, and Sirius. No shortage of entertainment options.
 
Anyway, good luck to you. Maybe the truck for Houston is on its way.....

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