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#81 of 224 Re: Disappointed [eldaino2]
Oct 01, 2009 (12:38 pm)
Cars with automatics can seem sporty, but I'm among the few who think an automatic takes a lot of fun and a sense of control out of driving. If I wanted an automatic, I would be shopping in another automotive category. Call me old-fashioned, but after enjoying having a clutch and a stick-shift in every car I've owned since 1983, from Toyotas to Saabs, I'm unwilling to "settle" for a slushbox and let a computer shift for me.
I've seen specs on this new Golf posted on VW's Euro and Canadian websites and think VW is cutting corners and eliminating customers who strongly prefer to shift their own gears. I could get a boring-looking Jetta with 5-speed manual, but as a city dweller with only one car, prefer that 5-door body style for its versality and sportiness.
We had a 2000 Golf 1.8T, loaded with a 5-speed, and it was a blast to drive.
Looking forward to see the new GTI specs, but not the plaid upholstery, higher sticker price and higher insurance rates.
As for your suggestion to check out a "plethora" of other cars with manual transmissions, what is your definition of "plethora"?
I don't want a stripped Toyota, a ubiquitous Honda, Focus, etc. I wanted an affordable German car again -- especially after the 2000 Golf.
Oct 01, 2009 (12:44 pm)
Any car is a drag to drive with an automatic. My brothers 530i is boring to drive with an automatic, and my Accord is fun to drive with a stick shift.
VW dropped the ball on this. No excuse. They don't need seperate epa testing just because of two more doors. The 4 door is the more practical car, why not match it with the more practical transmission. Just plain silly. Look at sales of the Jetta wagon - mostly TDI because the people that want the efficient body (most room) also want the efficient engine.
Honda did something similar with the super effecient Civic from a few years back (hx?). They only offered it on the two door - a super efficient engine only available on the least efficient body style. I would have snatched up a 4 door in a heartbeat, but a two door was not even on the radar.
The thing is people looking for two doors can always opt for the 4 door, but those of us with kids that need 4 doors cannot consider a two door. If anything the limited availability options should be on the two door.
#83 of 224 Re: Disappointed [murrowcat]
Oct 02, 2009 (6:15 am)
"...but not the plaid upholstery".
Oh man - I think that is really nice looking. Very "guys cabin" feel to it. I love it personally. Wish they'd option it on the regular golf tdi.
#84 of 224 Re: Disappointed [thammer62]
Oct 02, 2009 (1:38 pm)
The plaid seats may seem novel, but what about after 6-months or 36-months? My dream Golf would have my mandatory manual transmission, Sirius radio and LEATHER seats.
Oct 05, 2009 (6:19 am)
Sounds good to me too. I want to drive one of these today! Hurry up vw.
#86 of 224 Re: Disappointed [eldaino2]
Oct 06, 2009 (1:19 pm)
Responding to you eldaino2. I don't have an issue with the lack of standard equipped
armrest in the 2 door Golf VI. I just noted it, responding to another writer in this forum.
It isn't a deal breaker for me, I would pay the dealer to install the armrest and be done with it.
Now, regarding the pricing of the TDI in 5speed or DSG, I stand by my previous comment. Overpriced. I don't see the value, unless one is driving alot of miles per year. I do 7 to 10 thousand miles a year. For the amount of driving I do, it doesn't make sense to spend an additional $3,000+ just to get an engine that will give me
10-13 mpg more. Yes, I know the seats are better and so forth, but the gas model
is a better value. Certainly compared to the topped trim levels of Sentra, Civic, and Lancer. Corolla is also a good value, with those heatable mirrors and provided armrests...and better gas mileage than Golf gas models. But the driving satisfaction in the Corolla vs the Golf...there is no comparison there. If one wants
an appliance with good gas mileage...Corolla is the way to go, not Golf. But I believe most here want a great driving experience, good to great gas mileage, good reliability and a good value. Golf VI is a bit pricey, but those of us here will pay for it. The TDI though..I draw the line there. The Golf VI is not above criticism, which is why I posted the original comment last week. I happen to like it alot, but spending that kind of money to get 40+ mpg bragging rights is not on my radar. For some, money is no object. That's fine,
and one can choose from the TDI to the Prius for the high mpg's. But unless one is driving over 20k miles a year, the savings aren't going to add up to make up for the high cost of procuring and maintaining the TDI.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.
#87 of 224 Re: Disappointed [ike3]
Oct 06, 2009 (2:29 pm)
Let's hope the center armrest console part is offered through the dealer as an accessory for the 2.5 Golf models. I've gotten used to having that center armrest (especially in manual transmission cars) as a necessity not a luxury. Seems insane that it's not standard at this price point.
I again reiterate that I wish VW would rethink offering the 2.5 Golf 5-door with a manual transmission and some of the upmarket equipment that are available to Canadian customers -- such as a satellite radio and even navigation.
If VW is positioning itself as a sportier and more upscale brand than Toyota/Honda/Subaru/Ford, let's see evidence of that with the transmission offerings and the standard and optional equipment.
#88 of 224 Re: Disappointed [ike3]
Oct 06, 2009 (2:39 pm)
The diff is not $3000 for the TDI as there is a federal tax credit of $1300 for the six speed and $1800 for the DSG.
#89 of 224 2010 Golf pricing
Oct 06, 2009 (6:58 pm)
I compared a base 2010 Golf to a base 2009 Rabbit this past weekend at a local dealership.
At a glance, I could not see any differences in equipment to speak of.
Why then is there a 10% price hike? $1600.....
Oct 06, 2009 (10:44 pm)
I've always understood the meaning of the word "overpriced" to mean that the price is artificially high. In this case, I don't think that's so.
It's taken VW tens of millions of dollars of development to bring it into being - it's as good as anything from MB or BMW. It costs a fair bit more than the gassers for VW to build and certify the TDI engine for US EPA and CARB, train their own repair departments, and provide a powertrain that will handle all that sweet sweet torque. In Europe it's a HUGE seller. Here, where diesel fuel is truly overpriced, they're selling all they can make. And that means that neither your nor I need to give our blessing to others to buy them, either. Where else can we get an engine anywhere as sweet as the TDI? Maybe the 2.0L TFSI? Another brilliant engine. And they get a decent premium for that one as well.
So, yes it's more expensive. But IMHO, not unfairly so.
Still waiting to drive a '10 Golf TDI. Lease is up in Feb. Look like a pretty sweet ride...