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#215 of 224 Re: 2010 Golf [jeffyscott]
Aug 24, 2010 (7:02 pm)
You are mistaken about the 1996... it goes back a LOT further than that. That 2.0L 8-valve can be traced back to the ORIGINAL watercooled VW rabbitt in 1974. (Same engine-block with larger displacement)
I have a different view.... That old engine-design is PROVEN over many millions of miles. Why do you think of it as a *bad* thing?
VW has always offerd several engine options... if you do not like the 2.0L ... chose something else.
#216 of 224 Re: 2010 Golf [bpeebles]
Aug 25, 2010 (11:13 am)
No mistake, I did not say the 1996 was the oldest use. Just that I happen to be aware of it's use in the '96. When my kid first told me they were bringing back the 2.0, I thought certain he was mistaken and they were going to be offering a new updated 2.0, perhaps incorporating new fangled ideas 16 valves (to improve HP).
It is a non-competitive piece of ancient technology. In the automatic (which is what most americans will buy) the combined mpg rating is actually lower than the 2.5. VW wants to pretend they can compete on price with other manufacturers, but it seems that the only way they can do so is to offer an engine that really is not competitive.
The 2011 Jetta, under $16,000 (excluding destination and engine).
#217 of 224 Re: 2010 Golf [jeffyscott]
Aug 25, 2010 (11:26 am)
I don't know whether many people will buy the 2011 Jetta with the ancient 2.0-liter 8-valve normally-aspirated engine. But it would be the cheapest way to buy a decent-sized German-engineered car. Also, if someone buys it with the automatic transmission, at least it is not the unreliable 4-speed automatic sold up through 2003,
I believe they have actually lightened the Jetta by several hundred pounds, while at the same time adding 2-3 inches to rear-seat legroom.
Again, if you liked all the features in the 2010 Golf, then the 2011 Golf still has them even if the 2011 Jetta does not.
#218 of 224 Re: 2010 Golf [jeffyscott]
Aug 25, 2010 (5:26 pm)
A VW with an automatic xmission is a sin..... A manual xmission gets better MPG, lasts the life of the vehicle and rarely fails.
Besides, the VW 2.0 is available with 16V head.... perhaps not in North America?
One reason I have not purchesed many American-branded vehicles is because manual xmission is not available. One exception was order from the factory a Dodge Dakota with manual xmission. It was the cheapest way to own a semi-hemi V8 with a manual xmission.
#219 of 224 Re: 2010 Golf [jbaustian]
Aug 25, 2010 (7:21 pm)
The weight is 2804 pounds with manual and 2.slow, with auto it goes to 2881 pounds, with the 2.5 it's 3018 and 3082 pounds.
By next spring the new Ford Focus may be an option for those looking for a decent sized european designed sedan or HB, likely with better pricing than VW, when comparably equipped.
The Ford will also have a 2.0L base engine...only it'll be direct-injected and is supposed to make about 155 horsepower and 145 pound-feet of torque. A DSG style trans. is supposed to be the only automatic.
#220 of 224 Re: 2010 Golf [jeffyscott]
Aug 30, 2010 (11:40 am)
Sounds like a plan to me.
#221 of 224 Re: Given That. . . [feliciatwo]
Sep 20, 2010 (10:47 am)
I am looking for a new car. I have been considering a Jetta or Sportwagen TDI, but the various posts about the HPFP problem make me pause and create questions. What does VW say that the fule is contaminated with? Has anyone seen copies of the lab tests? If incorrect diesel fuel were used, wouldn't the lab test say something like "wrong fuel" instead of "contaminated" fuel? How widespread is this problem? Has Volkswagen ever accepted a claim for this under warranty?
I broached this problem to a selesperson. Here is how he responded. He claims that the (very few) problems result from do-it-yourselfers putting the wrong fuel into the engine, such as high sulfur diesel or even home heating oil, or even Heating Oil No. 2.
What material is one of these HPFPs made of? I frankly question up front how "contaminated fuel" can make a fuel pump presemably made from solid material dissolve or disintegrate in the first place.
Does this kind of pump appear in a gas engine? Are there websites specifically devoted to this problem? Has the NHTSA become involved?
#222 of 224 Be wary of the HPFP
Sep 20, 2010 (11:40 am)
I have a 2010 TDI and am scared after reading countless posts on forums about the HPFP that can disintegrate, sending shards of rusted metal into the fuel system, resulting in a 10 or $11,000 repair bill. Half of these issues reported seemed to be covered under warranty and the other claims were denied due to "contaminated" fuel. It depends, frankly on what kind of mood the dealership is in that day. In most cases no one contaminated with gasoline, yet VW claimed that the quality of the fuel (lubricity) was poor and the owners were held responsible. Frankly, I'm surprised the media hasn't gotten a bigger hold of this because an $11,000 repair on a $26,000 car is absolutely ridiculous. If you want my opinion, I think the lubricity of diesel in the US is poor, but VW and Bosch went along manufacturing and building as if the quality is as good as it is in the UK, full knowing that the HPFP can't handle lower lubricity fuel. This is a combination of a serious design flaw and gross negligence in my estimation. If I were you I would contact VW customer service via e-mail or phone at 800-822-8987 and tell them you were seriously contemplating purchasing a new TDI until you heard about the HPFP concerns. More people doing this might make them aware. Check out this http://www.tdi-issues.com/hpfp-cases-tac68/ amongst other forums for more info.
Oct 14, 2010 (9:06 am)
A reporter is interested in talking with owners of the Golf TDI who are also parents. If you are interested in commenting on your experience, please reply to predmunds.com no later than Saturday, November 20, 2010 and include your city and state of residence, the model year of your vehicle and the age of your child/ren.
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