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Re: 2011 Sonata V6 Nixed! [the_pill] by backy
Oct 29, 2009 (10:00 pm)
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Replying to: the_pill (Oct 28, 2009 6:32 pm)

Re wind noise, I remember when the 2006 Sonata debuted here with non-folding mirrors, Hyundai said they used them to minimize wind noise. At the time I thought that was a bogus excuse, and they had done it as a cost-saving measure. Now I'm not so sure. Also we might see non-folding mirrors on the 2011 Sonata in the USA, since there's no need for them on cars that are made here and not shipped overseas.
 
Re power... the 2.0L Passat makes 200 hp, so adding 3 more ponies to the Sonata's 2.0L would only bring it to parity.
 
It's possible the 2011 Sonata will debut with the two I4s and Hyundai will gauge the market acceptance. They could then drop in a V6 if the I4s don't fill demand. There's also the hybrid version in the wings. Keep in mind, Hyundai's stated goal is to meet the new USA fuel economy fleet average standards early. Dropping the V6 in their top-selling car might be a big part of that plan. And if Hyundai has to do it to meet the new standards, perhaps other automakers will have to follow suit.
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Re: 2011 Sonata V6 Nixed! [the_pill] by targettuning
Oct 30, 2009 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: the_pill (Oct 28, 2009 6:32 pm)

For years I have been reading figures that 4 cylinders are installed in something upwards of 80+% of all U.S. Accords, Camrys, and Altimas and Sonata too I guess if your figures are correct. All these companies produce very powerful, quiet and smooth V-6's but their 4's are quite acceptable in all regards so most consumers prefer them and that choice has not hurt the sales of any of these in the least.. A 200hp 4 cylinder is a lot (more than Accord, or Camry and I think Altima) not to mention a 240 hp option. That is more than the original 3.3 V-6 in the Sonata!! I don't feel either of these two motors will be a slug. Keep in mind the U.S. is one of the few countries where V-6's are even offered in this segment car. Frankly I'd like to have one of the modern, torque heavy, clean diesels Hyundai offers in Europe but I for one will be looking into either the 2.4 liter or hybrid Sonata. Maybe it is time to put away the "toys" i.e. extremely powerful V-6's in this class just as we have...mostly....laid to rest the V-8 which is something I never thought I'd see. I am 62 and remember the time if it had wheels it had to have a V-8.
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Turbo i4 by rv65
Nov 03, 2009 (7:27 pm)
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The optional engine will be a turbocharged 4 cylinder engine. It will be a 2.0L mill pumping out 250 HP and yes it will be FWD. It won't have the torque steer of other high HP FWD cars.
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Re: Turbo i4 [rv65] by poodog13
Nov 04, 2009 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: rv65 (Nov 03, 2009 7:27 pm)

Anyone concerned about reliability associated with turbocharging or stretching out an I-4 to that many ponies? I'm entirely uneducated on the subject but have always worried about turbocharged cars and reliability. As an example, Subaru's are widely thought to be very reliable, with the exception of the WRX which always rates poorly.
 
Any thoughts?
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2011 Sonata by avucarguy
Nov 04, 2009 (9:49 pm)
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I am not a Hyundai fan nor do I own a Hyundai, but the 2011 Hyundai Sonata picture is awesome. I would not mind owning a Sonata a few years down the road, once Hyundai starts to offer some good rebates. This car would give the Accord and Camry a run for their money.
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Re: Turbo i4 [poodog13] by rv65
Nov 04, 2009 (11:14 pm)
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Replying to: poodog13 (Nov 04, 2009 7:03 am)

The Sonata's new turbo i4 is a basically a FWD version of the Genesis coupe's 2.0L turbo 4. It's quite a strong engine. The Sonata's turbo i4 will have more boost than the Genesis coupe to make more HP. The turbo should be quite reliable. In Europe, more cars are going to smaller turbo engines that get better mileage.
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Re: Turbo i4 [rv65] by 8babies1dog
Nov 06, 2009 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: rv65 (Nov 04, 2009 11:14 pm)

Hello all, IMO the pictures of the 2011 is a big change from my 2009 Sonata, I will
reserve judgment till after an up close view in person. But what I did read in a article
would be very disappointing to me, not such a big deal is trunk opening size sounds
like it will be smaller. If the 16.4 cu ft trunk space remains the same and the lid
opening is smaller and rather large things won't fit all you can do is put smaller items. i.e. acquire smaller luggage and ice chests! Now this is what will stop me
in my tracks from even looking into buying one. The V6 won't even be an option on
the 2011 according to the article, I 4's only, I swore off 4 cylinders after owning 3.
A toyota, a Mazda, and a Isuzu, three strikes your out, no matter how many turbos
it may have. I have also owned 3 GM cars with 3.8L V6 w/ 200+ hp a Mazda 2.5L
V6 166 hp, and also a oldsmobile w/ a 260 cu in V-8 and hiway mpg was at least
equal to I 4's and in two cases the bigger engines got much better mpg. Those versions of 4 cylinders had trouble getting out of their own way compared to the
much more power full V6's, I guess to each his own, I was spoiled w/ HP in the
sixties and seventies w/ large cu in V 8's, very poor mg, even inline 6 cyl, got less
than 20mpg but regular gas was about .35 cents a gallon. If everything goes as
usual we keep cars seven or so years well after warranty is out. W/ our ext. warranty on the new Sonata 10 yr 100,00mile bumper to bumper who knows. Hopefully by then the US made Sonatas will have the V6's. If this info I looked thru
is not accurate so much the better, It's hard to imagine that they would stop using
the 3.3L V6 in the Sonatas. Only about 25 or 30% Sonatas sold in the US in 2008,
2009 were V6's but that many is a lot of money for Hyundai. Would they risk that
many sales to people that want the V6 ??
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Re: Turbo i4 [8babies1dog] by dodgeman07
Nov 06, 2009 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 06, 2009 6:30 am)

"Only about 25 or 30% Sonatas sold in the US in 2008,
2009 were V6's but that many is a lot of money for Hyundai."

 
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10-15% is more like it. With powerful, reliable I4 engines available there is very little demand for a V6 in this class.
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Re: Turbo i4 [dodgeman07] by 8babies1dog
Nov 06, 2009 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Nov 06, 2009 12:15 pm)

You are correct about the I4 being a much bigger seller than the V6, the issue of
powerful depends on what it is compared to another I4, a 2cyl, or the much more hp rated v6 let alone a 300hp+ V8.From the dealer off the shelf I don't think there is
any question about which engine in the present Hyundai line has the least power.
However with that said there is a percentage of the buyers that don't want a 4cyl,
that includes me, just me is nothing. I think I read 80% for 2009 were I4's but lets
use your 15%According to newly released sales information for 2009 (93,575) new
Sonatas were sold here in the US, GLS, SE. & Limited's combined. That equates to 14,036 V6 units, (1200) being in September 2009. Not to many right? that many
V6 units for the period Sept, 2008 thru Sept 2009 is about $282,720,000.00. Many
if not all new Sonatas were built here in the Alabama plant, if they can stand to maybe loose that much of the V6 buisiness that is no skin off my back, when I,m
in the market for a new car Sonata won,t be on the list. It,s just that simple. Thanks
for your reply.
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Re: Turbo i4 [dodgeman07] by 8babies1dog
Nov 06, 2009 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Nov 06, 2009 12:15 pm)

Sorry to interrupt again, I forgot something, back in July when we started looking at
the Sonatas there were 4 cylinders around here coming out the ears but the V6,s
were very hard to come by in the whole Gulf coast region of Louisiana we found
only 3 available. I consider myself lucky because the dealer where we bought the
SE V6 sold us his display model off the showroom floor and it was well dressed up
with all kind of goodies added to the regular SE package. What I,m getting at is
a while before the 2010 could be bought the V6's were virtually gone. Did the buyers
that wanted a V6 have to settle for something less than they wanted with the 4cyl,
or did they just go buy a Nissan or Honda or whatever like I thought I was going to
have to do.

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