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Hyundai Sonata, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#70 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [targettuning]
Sep 21, 2009 (2:13 pm)
Hey, don't get me wrong; I have TWO Sonatas, a 2003 Sonata GLS V-6 with all the options (the equivalent of an SE) including the moonroof, and a 2009 Sonata GLS I-4 Auto with PEP.
I love BOTH cars, they are both good looking, comfortable, relatively econmical and (at least so far) reliable. But the new 2011 Sonata doesn't look like a sedan anymore, which is the point of the Sonata itself; they look like a sports coupe, which I though the Genesis was about. If they want to go that route, that's obviously their right, but I'm just not a fan of the styling; when I buy a sedan, I want a SEDAN (I have a sports coupe already, as well). I just think Hyundai would be better served by having made the new "Sonata" the Azera (which doesn't sell well, lets face it), and found a way to seriously freshen a true sedan as the new Sonata, one of Hyundai's big three (Elanta, Sonata, and Tucson) in terms of sales By going the route they did, they're abandoning the more "traditional" niche for the Sonata itself..
#71 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [billward]
Sep 22, 2009 (8:19 am)
I think this more swoopy design is just a reaction to the direction Mazda (Mazda6) Toyota (Camry to some large extent) Honda (Accord for sure) and others who Hyundai sees as the competition have already gone. The days of the "boxy" (comparatively speaking) family sedan is largely gone. In fact the days of boxy, read traditional, anything including SUV's (except maybe pick-ups) has pretty much gone. It is a function of "keeping up with the Jones" but I personally like the new direction and can see that others may not.
#72 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [targettuning]
Sep 22, 2009 (10:46 am)
Actually I think Hyundai decided on their future styling direction before the Mazda6 debuted. And the Camry and Accord are much more traditionally styled than the Mazda6 or Sonata. The new Legacy also follows the traditional sedan template, even down to the BMW-esque C pillar. So I don't think traditional sedan styling is dead yet, but I do see a trend towards sleeker lines in family cars.
#73 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [targettuning]
Sep 22, 2009 (11:33 am)
You mean the days of trunk openings larger than a basketball are largely gone. I actually use my car's trunk on a fairly regular basis. The ever-shrinking trunk openings from lots of manufacturers tick me off & have me looking at a compact CUV for my next vehicle.
As someone who's last name actually is Jones, they are in no way shape or form keeping up with me. They are taking pains to disenfranchise me from their products.
#74 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [fushigi]
Sep 23, 2009 (4:57 am)
To paraphrase a well known president...."you can't please all the people all the time". This is exactly the reason there is a variety of styles of vehicles sold. Freedom of choice for now.....
#75 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [targettuning]
Sep 23, 2009 (5:14 am)
So, your saying (although it sounds like Backy partially disagrees) that Hyundai is playing "follow the leader", instead of trying to BE the leader. It's worked (sort of) over the years with the Sonata and Elantra, I guess (lets face it, both have been reminiscent of other automobiles over the years), but in this case, the old adage "Well, if everyone was jumping off a cliff, would you do it as well?" applies... it's just not as practical of an automobile (as Oldsmobile, Cadilac and Buick all found out, to their own peril, over fifteen years ago; yeah, this design reminds me of THOSE) for the average family of 4.5. You're going to lose cabin space and trunk room, reduce the usability of what trunk is there (too small of an opening), and most especially, lose head room. With a 20 year old son, who's six foot, living at home, his 18 year old sister who's 5'8", and a 9 year old, I have some kids who need elbow room and back seat head room in my car (and TRUNK space!) The new design doesn't seem to have that, and the lines aren't as pleasing, either.
#76 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [billward]
Sep 23, 2009 (6:10 am)
No, I don't "partially" disagree. With the 2011 Sonata, I think Hyundai is going all-out to BE the leader in the mid-sized family car segment. They will lose the buyers who like traditional sedan styling (to the likes of the Impala maybe). But they will gain others who like sleeker styling and the kinds of features the new Sonata offers.
You may not lose as much room as you'd think. With a high rear deck, the trunk could be quite large even though the opening might not be very large (but if it goes down to the bumper, which it probably does, it's going to be pretty large). And the Mazda6 has proved that you can have good room in back even with a coupe-like roofline, but you might not fit people with "big hair" back there. Personally, if I had three kids of that size at home, given the kind of lifestyle that implies, I'd have something like a minivan or SUV like the Pilot or Traverse, or maybe a little smaller one like the Equinox or Santa Fe. In fact, I do have a minivan, at least until my middle son goes to college.
#77 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [backy]
Sep 23, 2009 (1:09 pm)
I have a minivan, too (in fact, I currently own FIVE automobiles... the minivan gets driven occasionally, but with 180K miles, I try now to save it for when I take the Boy Scouts out (I'm a leader in my troop))
1989 Camaro RS V8 all options, 92K miles
1996 Plymouth Voyager Ralley, SWB, V6 180K
2003 Sonata GLS V-6 with all options, 112K
2008 Kia Rio5 9K miles (my son's new car, replaced his 1993 Mercury Tracer with 321K miles)
2009 Sonata GLS I-4 Auto with PEP 9K miles
Yes, we put a LOT of mileage on cars, and tend to run them until they die.
Big point is, Hyundai recently "won" my family for Hyundai and Kia cars, back shortly before we got our 2003 Sonata. Our next car will almost certainly be another Sonata, in about 4-5 years... unless the Sonata is no longer the Sonata. And the 2011 isn't a Sonata anymore, it's something different.
I guess we'll disagree on whether it's a good move, but I'm not a fan of the 2011. It might be a wonderful car, but it's not designed for the same market niche as the old Sonata.
#78 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [billward]
Sep 23, 2009 (4:59 pm)
Yeah, the minivan comes in handy hauling those Scouts and gear to camp, Eagle projects etc., doesn't it?
I think there's a Sonata badge on the 2011 model. Times change. I hated the looks of the 2001 Elantra when it first came out, it was such a radical departure from the 2000 model. But after awhile it grew on me... and I eventually bought two from that generation.
#79 of 5326 Re: Not enamored [backy]
Sep 24, 2009 (4:59 am)
Yes, indeed, minivans are great for hauling scouts. Going in two weeks to Camp Pipsico (the Tidewater BSA's "Council Campground" with the boys, that will be the longest trip I've taken the minivan on in two months.
I actually think the 2000 model redesign of the Elantra was quite striking, as a "small sedan" style. I like the new style, too (almost bought an Elantra Touring instead of the 2009 Sonata), but it's one of those cases where they could have kept the old style for a lot longer and still kept it "fresh". I think the 2006 style Sonata could have been kept fresh for another 4-5 model years, as it's really quite attractive.
Ah well, maybe you're right, maybe the 2011 will grow on me. Right now, I don't care for the looks, but if it's safe, reliable, comfortable, and economical, it probably won't matter much in the end.