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#2128 of 5326 Re: 2010 Acura TSX or 2011 Hyundai Sonata [benjaminh]
Apr 05, 2010 (5:53 pm)
I think that in many ways the TSX is a better car, but it lists--what--something like 7k more comparably equipped?
It's more like about $5K difference sticker. But it might be close to $7K actually OTD price. And while the TSX might be a better car, it's also a much smaller car. 3" less leg room and almost 2½" less head room in the front. For us large land mammals, the TSX is a small car. I'd need to go up to the TL to be comfortable, and now you're talking close to $10K more.
As someone that owned a 2005 TL, I can tell you, the Sonata is not as good a car. But it's a lot closer to the TL than the 2007 Camry I owned.
#2129 of 5326 Re: 2011 Sonata navigation [midas69]
Apr 05, 2010 (6:10 pm)
Most cars charge between $180 and $200 for updates. And none of them are that good at maintaining maps. I upgraded the maps on one of my cars and they were still missing roads that had been built 3 years ago.
That was the main reason that I didn't get Nav package on mine.
#2130 of 5326 2011 Sonata worth the downgrade..
Apr 05, 2010 (6:30 pm)
SO I have driven Infinit and Acura since 2000 and am tired of paying so much for car, insurance and espeically feul. With gas on it way back well into the $3 ranges I figure it is time to look at options. I drove the 2011 Sonata Limited and was very much impressed. I thin Hyundai nailed this one well. My biggest concern is the Sonata kind of tops out a tad short of wher eI woudl want to be. The Genesis is $13K+ higher comparably equiped and the Azera is out dated. They need to slot somthing into the Azera spot. A loaded sedan that tops out around $35K-$36K. While I loved the Sonata Limited a few things to me need improving on the Limited:
- The Man Button for HVAC needs to go, can't stand it, cheapens the feel of the interior.
- The rotary temp dial needs to go, need a digital readout for temp
- the big round silver control knob on the navi unit for audio seems too cheap and small. Look at Infiniti G knob and button, much nicer.
- Ride was a big improvement over previous Sonata, but Hyndai needs to hire better suspension tuning people here int he States or from European makers, the Sonata seems to jittery and lacked a real planted feel.
- Minor gripe, give me a digital readout of tire pressure, not just a a tire low indicator.
- navi should be another .5-1" bigger.
- leather felt a little cheaper (plasticy) than I would like
- prefer a dual exhaust look on a "top model level" car.
What I liked;
- Navi was repsonsive and crisp
- sound system was impressive, btu a tad muddy at higher volume
- seats were good balance or comfort and support (better for me than the Genesis seats)
Maybe they need a Sonata Ultra or ssomething, that might have the upgrades I mention and add say $2K-$3K to the price tag throw in say 18" wheels as well and HDD navi that might help fill the gap between Sonata and Genesis. I really don't count the Azera to me it is a dead product.
#2131 of 5326 I love it :)
Apr 05, 2010 (7:03 pm)
Ok, just got the car (Limited; Pacific blue / Gray interior, 23K + TTL) and am probably a bit euphoric....but man this car is an incredible value. The sound system rocks, it looks fantastic both outside and inside, fun to drive..it just has this high end feel to it. As a commuter car this is a perfect mix! Practical and stylish.
You know how (for most people) Apple products just feel right? You can tell that serious thought went into the design in terms of look and usability. I get the same feeling sitting inside the Sonata.
I believe the comparison with the TSX is warranted and valid. Consider: the Sonata is bigger, better MPG, doesn't require premium fuel, bigger trunk, push button, heated rear. TSX has seat memory and power passenger, but I'd much rather have the push button and better MPG. I sat in my sis's TSX and the Sonata Limited holds its own with its interior. Very high quality feel. Now add in the better warranty + cheaper price..
For any of you guys on the fence..test drive one!
#2132 of 5326 remember TSX is euro accord
Apr 05, 2010 (7:14 pm)
no way i would pay additional 7k for TSX which is smaller, less MPG, worse warranty. i hate look look of the beak, and frankly it basically is an accord. i lived in london, and TSX has nothing to do with 'luxury'.
and Acura is the most disappointing brand in my recent memory. just look at their line up. honda really did peak 10-15 years ago. everything was a down hill in last 10-12 years.
if you want to pay a premium for a car, i would look at other premium brand. Regal(insignia) actually drives better than TSX.
#2133 of 5326 Re: I love it :) [batch5]
Apr 05, 2010 (7:28 pm)
Did you really just pay 23K for the limited w/out TTL? I thought 25K would be a good deal. The dealership is holding a white limited for me but we havn't started the pricing until it shows in 2 weeks. Would love to hear your deal.
#2134 of 5326 Re: 2011 Sonata worth the downgrade.. [keithl]
Apr 06, 2010 (3:56 am)
They are coming out with a Limited Turbo in late summer for around 30K or so, you could wait for that. Also the Azera is redesigned this year and actually a really nice car (although a bit bland on the outside) but it would be worth taking a look.
Apr 06, 2010 (4:25 am)
Does anyone know when I can get a cargo net for 2011 Sonata Limited.
#2136 of 5326 Re: I love it :) [jrjelcid04]
Apr 06, 2010 (4:48 am)
Yeah, basically did everything over e-mail. I started with the AMEX car buying program:http://amexnetwork.zag.com/main.html, got a quote for about 23.7K from a dealer (I have 5+ dealers in a 30 mile radius or so).
Then asked other dealers to match or beat that, one came with 23.2K. Finally, had my local dealer match that price (23.2K). After the document fee (+$200) and college rebate (-$400) it nets to 23K before TTL.
If the current incentives remain (I believe a $1K to dealer) and you have a lot of dealers in the area I would try to play them off each other. I also made clear that I was buying this week.
#2137 of 5326 Re: High Gas consumption error? [jparks8]
Apr 06, 2010 (6:04 am)
Since you're quoting metric consumptions, I'll preface by saying I'm responding using what applies to the US. Here, auto makers do not get to determine the published fuel economy ratings. The US government's EPA does (see http://www.fueleconomy.gov). While those who drive with a lead foot - lots of harsh acceleration, high-speed highway driving, etc. - may have problems achieving the EPA estimates, if you drive with light or moderate acceleration and don't drive exceedingly fast you can almost always beat EPA estimates. Temperature plays a role (colder = worse) as well as gas quality (regular v. premium, winter v. summer blend, etc.), tire type & inflation, and how loaded/weighed down the car is.
Another factor is engine newness; oftentimes an engine won't return maximum fuel economy until it's been fully broken in. This can take from 2,000-5,000 miles so it's possible your fuel economy will improve even further.
Congratulations on your new Sonata! It sounds like you're already getting more for your money than you hoped for.