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#180 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata! coming when? [8babies1dog]
Jan 03, 2010 (7:13 pm)
Yes, and in addition to all that, we are overdue for a supernova in this part of the galaxy.
Sorry, but I have never seen so much angst about things that are highly unlikely to happen, in one post.
Doesn't it make sense that a car that is lighter than another car but has 23-25 more horses, more torque, and one more cog in the tranny will have better performance?
As for not increasing the MPG... the EPA has determined the 2011 Sonata is more fuel efficient in its tests than the 2010 Sonata. As for real-world driving... YMMV, as always. But I've never achieved less than EPA numbers in any Hyundai I've driven (and for which I've calculated fuel economy)... that includes at least a couple of dozen Sonatas over the years. Why should that all change for the 2011 Sonata?
As for loss of passenger volume... it's 1.6 cubic feet less for 2011. Which makes the 2011 Sonata roomier for passengers than all major competitors except the low-end Accords (those w/o a moonroof). The Sonata's trunk is actually a bit larger for 2011--16.4 vs. 16.3 cubic feet.
As for a price increase... I expect there will be a small one, if anything because of more/better standard equipment (6 speed transmissions, Bluetooth, the more powerful and economical DI engine etc.). But it's likely the 2011 Sonata will still cost less than most competitors with comparable equipment.
I am glad you really like your SE V6. It will probably last a long time. I am hoping my 2007 GLS I4 lasts a long time also, 5-6 more years at least. By that time, the Gen 6 Sonata will probably be out--with its fuel cell powerplant.
#181 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata! coming when? [backy]
Jan 04, 2010 (6:28 pm)
I really hope the 2011 works out to be as good or maybe even better than
expected. None of what I had in the post was put to be in the negative
sense, "supernova" or whatever you call it. You said yourself I quote
"highly unlikely to happen", that leaves the possibility it can happen. I
don't want to believe it will, but just think about how long it took to refine
the engines their already using to get them where they are. IMO 2 of
the best midsize car engines to be produced in many, many years.
Dependable (good track record) very good MPG/HP ratio I-4 & V6.
It has yet to prove itself in the publics hands, EPA is a far cry from
science. Hyundai has been batting a thousand lately on Quality so
no reason it should change.
I want to clarify the part about the I-4 crapping out, I don't want anything
to happen to it, it is a masterpiece of engineering. What I was trying to
say is I would like the V6 and the V8's to remain available to those of
us that want them. I may be the only die hard extra HP person left
standing but I really don't think so.
Performance is not only about HP weight and speed, IMO. And about
the size of the 2011 it is still a EPA rated large car but even (.1) cu ft is
smaller any way you add it up, may not notice it, but smaller.
#182 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata! coming when? [8babies1dog]
Jan 04, 2010 (6:46 pm)
Do you know what the first application of both the 2.4L Theta and 3.3L Lambda was? The 2006 Sonata. So Hyundai had zero track record with those two all-new engines when it put them into its bread-and-butter car five years ago. And things worked out pretty well for those engines, didn't it? And the Theta II with DI is not an all-new engine, but a revision to the Theta.
Since the probability of "something happening" is greater than zero, I said "highly unlikely to happen" instead of "won't happen." But keep in mind the probability that our sun won't come up tomorrow morning--at least not in its familiar form--is also not zero.
I agree that performance is more than hp, weight, and speed. Handling is part of it--maybe the 2011 Sonata's available 18" wheels will help there. Maybe the suspension tuning of the 2011 Sonata will be oriented more towards crisp handling (in all trims). Braking is part of it--maybe the 2011 Sonata won't have the rear brake lock-up problem reported by some owners. Also, I think fuel economy is part of performance. There is evidence that the 2011 Sonata will be the class leader in that category.
If a change is not noticeable, it isn't important. If the 1.6 cubic feet was taken out of headroom, I might not notice it (I'm only 5'10"). But someone who is 6'2" might.
#183 of 5331 Just took the factory tour!
Jan 04, 2010 (7:05 pm)
I'm blown away! Just did the factory tour in Montgomery Alabama today. If there is any way you can make the trip I highly encourage you to go to the HMMA website and register for the tour.
The place is state of the art, huge, clean and a great experience!!! The tour is well done and extremely educational and informative.
The 2011 Sonata is GORGEOUS!!!!! Breathtaking actually! Until today I had my heart set on a Genesis sedan. No longer! We will be purchasing a 2011 Sonata later this year when the Turbo is available.....Late 2010. I got to sit in a Limited 2011 Sonata fresh off the assembly line and was in seventh heaven! We thought our Veracruz and Azera were sweet.....The new Sonata is a home run!!!
Accord and Camry are obsolete as soon as this Sonata hits the streets at the end of the Month. Hyundai just had the superbowl commercials shot at this factory and will aire five Superbowl spots highlighting the new Sonata and American factory.
#184 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata! coming when? [backy]
Jan 04, 2010 (9:35 pm)
Also, I think fuel economy is part of performance. There is evidence that the 2011 Sonata will be the class leader in that category.
Indeed it is. The Hyundai website has these prelim numbers posted:
The weight is fantastic as well. Losing 1.6 cu.ft. of passenger volume (which is likely headroom) while dropping over 100 pounds AND improving fuel economy = a winner.
#185 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata! coming when? [dodgeman07]
Jan 05, 2010 (3:39 pm)
Can someone fix or remove this graphic?
It is chopping off the content of other
#186 of 5331 2011 Sonata Residual Value
Jan 06, 2010 (5:51 am)
While the 2011 Sonata appears to be a worthy competitor to the Accord and the Camry, I continue to wonder what, if anything, Hyundai will do to lower its total cost of ownership. Earlier Sonatas beat out competitors in their initial purchase price but this was more then offset by their lower residual values.
#187 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata Residual Value [joeg1]
Jan 06, 2010 (6:48 am)
How do you figure the lower purchase prices were "more than offset" by lower resale values? Are you figuring that by percentages, or actual dollars out of pocket? From what I've seen over the years (including ownership of 3 Hyundais, one a Sonata), the lower purchase prices more than offset lower resale value, in terms of dollars out of pocket, if the car is kept in good condition. For the Sonata and Hyundais in general. If the car is trashed by the original owner, all bets are off.
I think you will see prices of new Sonatas continue to creep up, as they have over the past several years since the 2006 model debuted. The better the car relative to its competition, the higher the asking price can be. That will pull up resale values.
#188 of 5331 Hyundai car plant tour!
Jan 06, 2010 (11:08 am)
Your tour sounds even better than I read about, have tour date of Jan. 29th
and have been looking forward to it very much, planed it so we could see
the new 2011. I thought about not bringing my wife but she loves the one
she has, not even a chance she would trade. We try to keep a "GOOD"
vehicle at least 8 to 10 years (or longer). IMO the residual value has a
whole lot to do with how the car was maintained (overall looks, year,
options that work, mileage, previous repairs the list goes on). That will
apply to any vehicle. Now Hyundai (for many reasons) lately has been
turning a lot of heads and changing the way people and the industry
sees them, so I do believe the resale value will be a whole lot better in
the near future, IMO all the others will have to do a little catching up.
Regardless some people invite change with open arms, some on the
other hand have to be convinced. It took me a while to catch on to what
Hyundai now has to offer, and boy am I a happy camper that we
jumped aboard. We always get well over book price for our vehicles
most of the time from friends or family. We go thru extra measures to
keep them up because we usually keep them a while and travel a lot.
So the resale is not a issue anyway to me. Have never traded a car in
except the Cash for clunkers mess that went down and again got a lot
more than book value (13 years old with plenty miles, but a gas guzzler)
#189 of 5331 Re: 2011 Sonata Residual Value [joeg1]
Jan 07, 2010 (10:09 am)
I have always driven a Honda, Toyota or Nissan, but am really thinking about getting the new 2011 Sonata. The one thing I have noticed recently is that the Sonata is almost similarly priced as a Accord/Camry/Altima. The thing that made the Sonata a great buy was it costs $3-$5K lower than a Accord or Camry and therefore even though the residual value was low, you bought the Sonata at a lower initial price. I think Hyundai could lose customers if people see that the Sonata is priced the same as a Accord/Camry and they will pick the them instead of the Sonata. I believe the 2011 will be a huge success, but if Hyundai prices it same as the competitors, it will be hard to sell. If they can maintain their low price, but improve their quality and features, they will definitely rise to the top.