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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Nov 06, 2009 7:57 pm) midsize sedan class VW Passat I4 200 hp turbo is compared to the 2009 Sonata along with a string of other cars like Altima, and Accord etc. These have I4's also, not turbos maybe but near the same HP rating 180-190 or so. The VW's 200hp turbo is rated EPA 19-29 combined 23, hiway 32mpg "advertised", premium fuel recommended. I think the Sonata I4 is EPA rated a little better with a tad less HP on regular fuel. Now the Sonatas 3.3L V6 249 hp is EPA rated 19-29 with 23 combined regular fuel recommended same as the VW 200hp turbo. I have seen in the mid 30's consistently on the hiway 70+ mph with AC on. (check on real world mpg). You may have seen a little better on your I4's, for 50 to 70HP less you should have. The lowest calculated mpg i've had on this car is over 25mpg (not much bumper to bumper driving but not all hiway either). The three trims of Sonata's carry a different price tag, the base GLS. the SE, & the limited a little more for the V6 equally equipped. The Passat base 200hp turbo is about $28,000+. None of these cars listed above are hybrids. When the 2011 models hit the market what will the I4's have over the 2009 & 2010's, what will you have to pay for that turbo 4 cyl and what is the EPA mpg going to be. We know now what the I4 and the V6 gets in the 2009 model. Will the 2011 Sonata follow suit w/ the VW turbo? at $4 or $5 a gallon gas and the V6 is not available what now? Economics is the key!
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 07, 2009 12:36 am) On the hwy they're more comparable with the I4 typically besting the V6s by 10%. Yes if you need a 300HP rocket sled that goes from 0-60 faster than a 1980s Corvette, by all means get something other than the new Hyundai.
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Nov 07, 2009 12:00 pm) MPG, type of tires (inflated correctly or not) type of gas, the correct oil for the area, driving conditions, driving terrain, plenty stop and go city traffic, high altitude driving, low altitude driving, always in a hot climate or a cold climate That is just a few items that can affect what an individual actually calculates MPG (real world), there are many others. Drive the I4 real hard and see what happens, bring it in the city and see what happens, do you think it is immune to a dramatic MPG drop? As for as the curb weight it is listed at a little more that 3300K f/ the V6 and the I4 is just below it. But if you like the 3300# number we will use that. Correct me if I,m wrong but doesn't the little I4 have to carry about the same weight? with that said, if you load a trailer with a lot of weight what do you think will fare better dragging it, a vehicle with a little HP or one with a lot of HP. If you will tell me, where does the 10% better MPG come from I have been researching this 2009 car for at least 5 months, Hyundai reports, owner reviews, Car&Driver reviews, Edmunds etc. and I have never seen this posted, besides how would this be real accurate if most everyone lists a different MPG. As for as the 300hp rocket thing you mentioned I don't have one and don't need one I gave up racing over 40 years ago but I can assure you when I did it wasn,t with a 4 cylinder or a V6. What I choose to drive and how I do it should be no concern of yours unless you plan on paying for it. In closeing, other than hear say who knows for sure what Hyundai has coming for the USA market in 2011, that remains to be seen. But anyway hope everyone finds the car that suits them. Have a good one!!!
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 07, 2009 7:14 pm) ================================= Try looking here.... EPA.gov I4 engines improve dynamic responses and weigh less. But yes - if you are pulling a trailer with your unibody, mid-size sedan - get a V6.
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Here's another take on swapping out six-cylinder engines for turbo fours, from the latest Car & Driver: A few years into the new 5-series' life, the engine portfolio will change to more fuel-efficient turbo-charged, direct-injection four-cylinders that will likely spell the end of the silky-smooth inline sixes of the 528i and 535i. So with the 2011 Sonata, Hyundai is actually leading the way in going down a path that other automakers including BMW are following with their mid-sized cars. If BMW is going to ditch their legendary inline sixes in favor of I4s in the 5-series, what does that say for the future of six-cylinder engines in mid-sized cars?
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Replying to: backy (Nov 07, 2009 8:48 pm) ===================================== They are nearly dead. Next generation cars from most major automakers (like the '11 Sonata) will be powered by large (2.4 to 2.7L) 4 cyclinder powerplants with 5/6 speed automatic gearboxes. |
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Posted this in hyundai-forums.com, but got no usefull replies: Just got my sonata 09 totaled in a crash front and back... No personel damages at all. I'm considering if i should wait to get the new YF, i40. Or buy a second hand right now (takes 3-4 months to get a new from Korea) I get misleading information on when it arrives here in europe (Denmark). Posts and blogs said it will be available in europe i next year - around juli as far as i can see according to earlier change/release plans (5 years). My 05 NF was on sale in Denmark in juli 05, and released(sold) in Korea in end of 2004. The danish importer said it first will be available in start of 2011. Even they not have any written information about it yet, and cant say for sure... Someone knows anythink specific about this. |
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Nov 07, 2009 8:47 pm) EPA rating. Everyone who reads a sticker price on a new car sees that, and it also says actual mpg will vary for different drivers, and in real world that is what happens. As I mentioned before there are so many factors that affect MPG its not possible for everyone everywhere to report the same numbers. Example would be if we both have identical Sonata"s w/ I4's, and I live and drive mainly in suburban area that is rather conjested and you live in a out of town country setting and only come to the city now and then, would we both post the same MPG? not hardly! Another case could be with you and your own car, you may drive the same path to work every day, yesterday you lucked out and hit the traffic and the signal lights just right, today however your luck ran out and that same road has a bad accident ahead of you and are creeping along stop and go for an hour or so. Would your MPG calculate the same both days? I saw a post recently on one of the Edmunds forums, the person was asking for replys to his problem it went kind of like this. My brother and I have just bought each a 2009 Sonata just alike except his has the V6 and mine has the I4, how can he consistently meet and even exceed my combined MPG?. We live and work near each other so driving conditions are basically equal. I don't know what the answers are for that question but I could go back and looked if I was interested. This is not posted as an argument for or against either type engine, only sharing information, and a lot of it is opinion and opinions are like a "BUTT" everybody has one. The deal about the loaded trailer was meant to show that the 4cylinder is lugging around just about the same weight as the V6. That weight difference would be a huge factor on a NASCAR vehicle, I don't know if that is the same case with a family sedan, just the drivers weights could be several hundred pounds different. So the idea of the 4cylinder being a few pounds lighter and making a big difference in MPG sounds like a theory to me, unless everyone's car carry's exactly the same weight there will be a difference. IMO why would Hyundai need or want to play follow the leader anymore, both of their new engines were designed and built here in the US at the Hyundai plant in Alabama not over seas, their dependability is already proven and the mpg is just as good or better than most compeditors in the class. If BMW or Mercedes or whoever needs to change their drive trane to keep up with Hyundai, well so be it. Could you fill me in on "the I4's improve the dynamic responses"in what area and compared to what? All info is welcomed. Just a little note, one of the reasons I bought the new V6 is, it has a timing chain not a belt like a lot of other engines, the stupid belt can be very unhealthy for the engine traveling at 70MPH. Changing the belt at correct intervauls is kind of an expensive add on.
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 08, 2009 5:42 pm) ------------------------------------------ Without getting into details, weight distribution is the key. Cars with better weight distribution handle and brake better and are more agile than "nose heavy" cars. V6 engines put too much weight over the front axle in mid-size car, FWD applications; often placing 100 plus pounds of additional weight right where it's not wanted. The U.S. market is the only one in the world that still sells V6 engines in this segment. This segment being mid-size passenger cars or the "C/D segment" as the auto industry call it. That will change over the next few years and by 2013, the V6 will be all but gone because it's rarely needed in cars this size. Modern I4 engines, some with turbos, will be the dominant engine in most passenger cars soon. Many of these engines will push 250HP in their HO variations and not all I4 have timing belts, many have chains. V6s will still be around for a few years in the mid-size class. There will be plenty of options for the time being. Even Hyundai could drop a V6 in the Sonata for 2012 if demand warrants it. People who have the need for the bigger engine can get one. The issue is, most people don't need the V6 - that's why 85% of them opt for the I4 and it's the right play if you don't drive fully loaded or tow anything regularly. Best of luck whatever car you chose. I love the look of the '11 Sonata and 200hp I4 engine will be ideal for me. I know that's not the case for everyone and we have many choices available. P.S. The EPA website also contains "Owner Reported" mpg figures.
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Nov 08, 2009 9:01 pm) it must be only your opinion and you do have the right to that. But different than you I will get into some detail for the people who would like to have more accurate set of stats, this is a list of a few cars that compare to the 2009 Sonata in the as you put it "mid-size passenger cars FWD applications" All below are 2009 models. abbreviation s/s is for EPA rated smaller than Sonata malibu v6 s/s altima v6 s/s camry v6 s/s mazda6 v6 s/s fusion v6 s/s cadillac sts, cts v6 s/s lincoln mkz v6 s/s acura tl v6 s/s lexus gs 350 v6 s/s lexus ls 60dh v8 s/s audi a6 Quattro v8 s/s audi a8 v8 s/s mercedes benz e-550 v8 s/s a few that are rated large like sonata but very close to total interior volume size accord v6 jaguar X v8 infiniti m35 v6 azera v6 genesis v8 next is a couple of sedans that fall a little short of the midsize class BMW M3 v8 COMPACT VW CC v6 COMPACT Some of these above listed cars come in FWD,RWD and AWD. As for as the weight distribution being the key to handle better (opinion only) I rather the v6, the breaking 0-60 skid pad test did not differentiate between the I4 or the V6. The I4 and the V6 Sonata are exactly the same size and same curb to curb turning radius so how can 1 be more agile than the other, also the I4 is a long way behind on the get up and go. I would like to sit on top of a lot more HP and not ever use it than not have it if it's really needed, I'm more than willing to give up a mpg or so. The 85% that opt for the I4 may be because 85% of the Sonatas built or I4's and after all V6 trims are sold what else is the choice. How do you know that if more were built they wouldn't be bought. It costs the car makers less to make an I4 so it's on the market costing less, if they were exactly the same price would any of the I4 lovers jump over? What does the survey say about that? You know it's really not an issue about need for the v-6 it's more of a want, same goes for the I4 you don't need a 200HP 4 cylinder or a 250HP 4 cylinder turbo just as you don't need the same HP rated V6!!!! right. So when all the big V6"s and V8's are replaced with the I4 200-250 hp you are about where you now, what will replace the I4, a peddle car, good luck with that! I will agree on one thing, your right the 2011 looks good. Same goes for everyone out there hopefully the car you buy is what you really want, because your stuck with it a while just like me. We do like ours so far. P.S. and the "real world mpg forum" is right here on Edmunds.
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