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2010 Mercedes E-Class

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Re: Question for fintail... [fintail] by hpmctorque
Aug 06, 2009 (3:45 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 05, 2009 1:08 pm)

Thanks for your opinions, fintail. If you rent one in Germany, please give us details of the driving experience, and whether you think the W212's engineering and driving dynamics is just a modest improvement over its predecessor, or something more than that.
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Re: Question for fintail... [hpmctorque] by fintail
Aug 06, 2009 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Aug 06, 2009 3:45 am)

For someone like me, the rental car is a highlight of a trip...so I will have a lot to say, yeah.
 
I don't expect any dramatic changes - MB is pretty conservative, and the W211 wasn't really bad, rather just a little aged. I have read some reviews touting the W212 as a reincarnation of the W124, but with a lot more gadgetry. Would be nice if that was true.
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Re: Question for fintail... [fintail] by hpmctorque
Aug 06, 2009 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 06, 2009 6:39 am)

I just read Edmunds' review of the new E-Class. It got rave reviews. I urge you to read it. I expected a positive review, but Edmunds' comments really exceeded my expectations. That's great.
 
I look forward to learning if your impressions of the new E-Class match Edmunds when you return from your trip.
 
Here's my assessment of the cars that compete with the E-Class: If Edmunds is right, It looks like Infiniti and Lexus, especially, have more than met their match, and BMW and Cadillac can't rest. Acura, not to mention Volvo, aren't even in the running. The Audi A4 does a credible job of competing with the C-Class, but Audi urgently needs to introduce the next generation A-6, if it hopes to retain market share. Jaguar has a special niche, which I think they have a decent chance of defending with their new sedans.
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Re: Question for fintail... [hpmctorque] by fintail
Aug 07, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Aug 06, 2009 2:05 pm)

I'll take a look, sounds promising. If it takes some attention away from the 5er, which in my eyes is not an attractive car, I wouldn't complain. That's the main competition.
 
I read a review of the E550 coupe in the new issue of R&T, they too raved about it.
 
I do hope I can get a larger engined W212 for my rental...closest I'll be able to get to buying one for awhile. I'd like the big diesel...but if they put me in a diesel S-class/CLS or even a CL, I won't cry
 
Jag will always have a contingent of Anglophiles to buy their cars. People still buy new XJs even though they are small, expensive, and depreciate like mad. So long as Tata doesn't remove the character, someone will buy the cars.
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Re: Question for fintail... [fintail] by fintail
Aug 09, 2009 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 07, 2009 7:55 am)

I just read the Edmunds W212 writeup...impressive, they were positively raving about it. I hope that bodes well for the future. I might not be won over by the styling, but I do hope the car is a resounding success and moves away from the quality problems of the past 13-14 or so years (depending on model).
 
I don't know of any persistent issues with the C and S...hopefully the E can make things even better.
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. by fintail
Aug 10, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Yesterday I read that the W212 has a Cd of 0.24 - even lower than the new Prius at 0.25. I think that's pretty cool.
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Re: . [fintail] by poodog13
Aug 11, 2009 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 10, 2009 9:10 am)

Huh? What is Cd? Sorry, need you to dumb it down for us lay people.
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Re: . [poodog13] by hpmctorque
Aug 12, 2009 (8:36 pm)
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Replying to: poodog13 (Aug 11, 2009 4:58 pm)

CD = "coefficient of drag." It is - and someone please correct me if this is inaccurate - a measure of air resistance. The lower the CD number, the less air drag the car experiences. A car with a low CD requires less power to overcome air/wind resistance, all other things being equal. Therefore, a low CD number yields better fuel economy and better high speed performance than a high CD. Again, this assumes all other things, such as the mechanical friction of drivetrain components, are equal.
 
A low CD also tends to reduce wind noise.
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Looking at 2010 by carolinabob
Sep 06, 2009 (7:40 am)
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Test drove an LS 460 and very, very nice, but also extremely expensive even with a 5K discount. M35 is noisier and does not ride as well as E350.
    Looked at used and 09 E350's, but not sold on either even with goodly discounts. However, the 2010 has piqued my curiosity based on reviews so far. The exterior does not bother me at all. Most cars in this class and some below it are beginning to look alike. There is only so much you can do and remain aerodynamic and within standards people expect.
   Interiors, performance and ride are much more important to me.
   The 10 seems well equipped for what they are actually asking right now and it may be better in December.
    Agree that some PO2 features should be standard or available with PO1: Xenon, AFS, parking sensors, etc. Why extra for metallic paint?
     One problem is that I do NOT want the sports package and since it is free, seems every dealer orders it on the ones they get. IMO, luxury rides better, tires are cheaper to replace and of same size front and back and interior looks better.
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Re: Looking at 2010 [carolinabob] by hpmctorque
Sep 06, 2009 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Sep 06, 2009 7:40 am)

I agree with you regarding the sport package, but we're in the minority. I don't want a soft, pillowy ride, but given traffic conditions, roads, and enforcement in the Mid-Atlantic region, I'm happiest with a controlled, compliant ride, such as you get with, say, one of the German luxury brands with the standard suspension. I once owned a Mustang with a suspension that cured me of the desire I had for suspensions with a heavy performance-above-all-else bias.

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