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Any of you ever owned a Fiat? Why would anyone buy from a company on the verge of disappearing (Chrysler)? Your Chrysler built minivans already have no resale value in comparison to Honda and Toyota so what will they be worth six weeks from now? I owned a relatively new Olds van just before Olds folded. The value dropped immediately. Just because VW is a separate company does not mean Routan parts will forever be available as they come from Chrysler. As I stated in an earlier post, are you going to have to travel to the nearest military post to get your government warranty backed vehicle serviced at the motorpool? Don't laugh, stranger things have happened. |
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Replying to: artgpo (Apr 25, 2009 5:17 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 25, 2009 8:09 am) |
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| Fiats are the thing in Europe where gas is $10 a gallon. They have fixed their early 70s quality problem and build a fine car. I really don't think Fiat has anything to do with discussion as it looks like they will work with pieces of GM and maybe buy the van plant???????????????????? | |
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Replying to: artgpo (Apr 25, 2009 5:17 am) Even if Chrysler disappears from the face of the earth tomorrow and there is no reliable parts supply from any Chrysler left overs VW is the same van almost verbatim in everything but body panels and some trim parts. If the Routan is off the market tomorrow VW will still be obligated as a manufacturer to maintain a 10 year parts supply for there vans and would likely see a profit in supplying Chrysler buyers with the same. VW is also uniquely positioned to buy up Chrysler facility and left overs at fire sale prices and I feel would be likely do so. I'm sure we will all know a lot more come May1st. Regardless of deprecation or the outcome of a Chrysler bankruptcy I'm satisfied that I have the best van I could find, it meets my personal needs better than any competitor and at a fair price. Lastly, when I worked in Kuwait I had several friends in the Army from Camp Doha who did repair work on every sort of vehicle the US military used and I thought they did fantastic work under the most adverse conditions. Id be happy to have the US Armed Forces work on my van, those people really do a Kick A** job! I love em. Plus I get to call Obama on the "Red phone" in the middle of the night and have him tow my van if I need it. Now that's service! What other auto maker can claim that?! Dave
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Chrysler creditors urged to make concessions April 25, 2009: 10:09 PM ET * Michigan Democrats say unions have made concessions * Chrysler's fate remains uncertain By Nick Carey DETROIT (Reuters) - With just days to go for Chrysler LLC to reach agreements to cut labor and debt costs or face bankruptcy, members of Michigan's Democratic congressional delegation said Saturday the onus was now on the U.S. automaker's creditors to make concessions. "The unions have come to the table over and over and over again and have taken huge cuts," said Senator Debbie Stabenow on the sidelines of a Michigan Democratic Party fundraising event in Detroit, the heart of the beleaguered U.S. auto industry. "It is now incumbent on the creditors, in particular those that have taken public funds, to make some concessions and be a part of the solution," Stabenow said. Chrysler, which is about 80 percent-controlled by private-equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP, faces a Thursday deadline by the Obama administration to reach cost-cutting deals and cement an alliance with Italian carmaker Fiat SpA. If the automaker fails to do that, Chrysler could see further U.S. government support withheld and face potential liquidation. Michigan Democrats said the announcement Friday of a tentative concession deal between the Canadian Auto Workers union and Chrysler showed the unions were acting in good faith and it was now up to the creditors to follow suit. The CAW deal would reduce hourly labor costs by C$19 ($15.70) and save Chrysler about C$240 million annually in benefits, time off, "legacy costs" and improved productivity, but not through lower base wages or reduced pensions. That deal will be put to CAW-represented workers for ratification this weekend. Talks on concessions between the United Auto Workers union and Chrysler continued Saturday. UAW President Ron Gettelfinger had been due to attend the fundraising event, but canceled his appearance because of the talks with Chrysler. 'NEW BATTLE LINES' The U.S. auto industry has suffered from its worst sales in decades, with the recession and the credit crunch taking a heavy toll. Like Chrysler, General Motors Corp has received government aid. Ford Motor Co, the third member of the storied Big Three U.S. auto makers, has said it can restructure its business without government help. "The unions have made a number of concessions to ensure the survival of Chrysler," said Representative Mark Schauer. "The question now is what the company's creditors will do." "They have to look at the broad economic impact (of Chrysler collapsing) and not just their own short-term financial interest," he said. In an impassioned speech to cheering attendees at the fundraising dinner, Michigan Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm criticized Chrysler creditors that had received bailout money as part of the U.S. government's efforts to prevent a collapse of the financial system. Those same banks and hedge funds have reported profits for the past few months, she said. "This is going to be a tough week and new battle lines have been drawn," Granholm said. "Who knew they (Chrysler's creditors) would take that bailout money and then kill this great industry?" Although Senator Carl Levin promised the audience that "we're doing everything we can to make sure they (auto workers) don't get sold out, Michigan Democrats said bankruptcy for the automaker could not be ruled out. "If it comes to the liquidation of Chrysler as we know it, then we will push urgently for a rapid restructuring of the company," Schauer said. "There are too many jobs at stake."
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Replying to: etp (Apr 26, 2009 3:20 am) Dave |
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Replying to: drdavidbowman (Apr 25, 2009 1:47 pm) Who drives the foreign minivan, you with the Canadian built Chrysler or those with the Princeton, IN built Sienna or Lincoln, AL built Odyssey? As for "appropriate", well I guess if I am not in lock step then my opinion or comment is unwanted?
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Replying to: artgpo (Apr 26, 2009 6:47 am) |
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| 20 years// out in civilian industry for 11 and back in again after 911. Man I am fracking old. 7.5 years so far! | |
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