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#168 of 217
Re: Trailer Tow Prep Group... [etp] by shipo
May 30, 2009 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: etp (May 30, 2009 4:41 am)

As a general rule, engines improve in the fuel economy department after breaking in, and then continue to improve for a goodly amount thereafter. Case in point, our 1998 DGC 3.8 managed 17.9 mpg on its first trip (a trip of just over 500 miles), however, by the 20,000 mile mark the van would deliver just over 20 mpg on that same trip. That said, on a different trip at about the 145,000 mile mark I managed to coax 28.2 mpg out of it and get just over 500 miles on a single tank.
 
As for synthetic oil, I've yet to see any scientific evidence that proves that it does anything to improve fuel economy to any measurable degree (and you can bet that if it did, the various manufacturers would be screaming that fact from the top of every mountain).
 
Best regards,
Shipo
#169 of 217
Re: Grand Caravan v/s Town & Country [drdavidbowman] by etp
May 30, 2009 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: drdavidbowman (Apr 22, 2009 1:38 pm)

Dave, you still alive? Seems to be 3 of us that own a 2009 so far. LOL
#170 of 217
Re: Grand Caravan v/s Town & Country [etp] by fmichael
Jun 02, 2009 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: etp (May 30, 2009 2:16 pm)

I would've joined you guys as an owner - however the so called "deals" that were offered a few weeks ago were nothing to be desired ($3,500 off for a T&C - $4,000 off for a GC with no finance deals) so my wife, & I went back to Honda which had considerably better offers on the Odyssey.
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Re: Grand Caravan v/s Town & Country [fmichael] by etp
Jun 14, 2009 (1:00 am)
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Replying to: fmichael (Jun 02, 2009 10:54 am)

March were the best deals. The Honda is still overpriced for what you get IMHO. Looked at one this weekend/get out your wallet man.
 
Side issue, I sent my wife to the dealer to get my my oil changed and they put in 1/2 quart too much They were closed Saturday so I could not get it fixed. Also they over torqued the drain pug so I could not easily get it off on my back with no lift. I hope they used the oil I sent! Otherwise I have no way of knowing if they put in my synthetic oil. Also they convinced my wife she needed a tire rotation at 5300 miles. I was pissed. $20 down the drain and a substandard oil change. At this point if I am not watching them I will change the oil myself regardless if it is free. I have 6 free oil change coupons that I was going to use. ARGH! I still am trying to link my homelink on two new vehicles with "no joy". My garage door opener is only 18 months old and the best one Lowes sells.
 
The Van is perfect, the service and parts are suspect at my local dealer. I took it to a Clearwater dealer to install a back up system and they gave me a huge military discount and did a perfect job. Almost 60% cheaper than my dealer.
#172 of 217
Re: Trailer Tow Prep Group... [shipo] by etp
Jun 14, 2009 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (May 18, 2009 3:16 pm)

Is all ATF4 synthetic?
#173 of 217
Re: Engine reliability and suspension questions... [etp] by etp
Jun 14, 2009 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: etp (May 14, 2009 2:33 pm)

  • 1. Verify that the vehicle is parked on a level surface.
    2. Remove the dipstick tube cap.
      
    WARNING: There is a risk of accident from vehicle starting off by itself when engine is running. There is a risk of injury from contusions and burns if you insert your hands into the engine when it is started or when it is running. Secure vehicle to prevent it from moving off by itself. Wear properly fastened and close-fitting work clothes. Do not touch hot or rotating parts.
      
    3. Actuate the service brake. Start engine and let it run at idle speed in selector lever position "P".
    4. Shift through the transmission modes several times with the vehicle stationary and the engine idling.
      
    NOTE: When inserting dipstick special tool 9336, excess insertion force may cause the dipstick to slip past the stop on the bracket in the transmission oil pan. An approximate distance that the dipstick sould be inserted into the fill tube is 424 mm (16.69 in.).
    5. Warm up the transmission, wait at least 2 minutes and check the oil level with the engine running. Push the Oil Dipstick 9336 into transmission fill tube until the dipstick tip contacts the oil pan and pull out again, read off oil level, repeat if necessary.
      
    NOTE: The dipstick will protrude from the fill tube when installed.
    6. Check transmission oil temperature using the appropriate scan tool.
    7. The transmission Oil Dipstick 9336 has indicator marks every 10 mm. Determine the height of the oil level on the dipstick and using the height, the Transmission Fluid Temperature (TFT) as viewed with the scan too, and the Transmission Fluid Graph, determine if the transmission oil level is correct.
    8. Add or remove oil as necessary and recheck the oil level.
    9. Once the oil level is correct, install the dipstick tube cap

  • FLUID CONDITION
    Along with fluid level, it is important to check the condition of the fluid. When the fluid smells burned, and is contaminated with metal or friction material particles, a complete transaxle recondition is probably required. Be sure to examine the fluid on the dipstick closely. If there is any doubt about its condition, drain out a sample for a double check.
     
    MOPARŪ ATF+4 (Automatic Transmission Fluid) when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change.
     
    After the fluid has been checked, seat the dipstick fully to seal out water and dirt.
     
    FLUID AND FILTER SERVICE
     
    FLUID/FILTER SERVICE (RECOMMENDED)
     
    NOTE: Refer to the maintenance schedules in LUBRICATION and MAINTENANCE, or the vehicle owner's manual, for the recommended maintenance (fluid/filter change) intervals for this transaxle.
     
    NOTE: Only fluids of the type labeled MOPARŪ ATF+4 should be used. A filter change should be made at the time of the transmission oil change. The magnet (on the inside of the oil pan) should also be cleaned with a clean, dry cloth.
     
    NOTE: If the transaxle is disassembled for any reason, the fluid and filter should be changed.
    1. Raise vehicle on a hoist. Refer to LUBRICATION and MAINTENANCE for proper procedures. Place a drain container with a large opening, under transaxle oil pan.
    2. Loosen pan bolts and tap the pan at one corner to break it loose allowing fluid to drain, then remove the oil pan.
    3. Remove nuts at the oil filter.
    4. Install a new filter and nuts, tighten to 5 N·m (40 in. lbs.).
    5. Install the fluid filter oil pan, use a bead of MOPARŪ ATF RTV (MS-GF41).
    6. Clean the oil pan and magnet. Reinstall pan using new MOPARŪ Silicone Adhesive sealant. Tighten oil pan bolts to 6 N·m (50 in. lbs.).
    7. Pour four Quarts of MOPARŪ ATF+4 through the dipstick opening.
    8. Start engine and allow to idle for at least one minute. Then, with parking and service brakes applied, move selector lever momentarily to each position, ending in the park or neutral position.
    9. Check the transaxle fluid level and add an appropriate amount to bring the transaxle fluid level to 3 mm (1/8 in.) below the lowest mark on the dipstick.
    10. Recheck the fluid level after the transaxle has reached normal operating temperature 82° C (180°F). Refer to Fluid Level and Condition Check for the proper fluid fill procedure (Refer to 21 - Transmission and Transfer Case/Automatic - 62TE/FLUID - Standard Procedure) .
    11. To prevent dirt from entering transaxle, make certain that dipstick is fully seated into the dipstick opening.
      
    #174 of 217
    Re: Trailer Tow Prep Group... [etp] by shipo
    Jun 14, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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    Replying to: etp (Jun 14, 2009 12:42 pm)

    Yes, by definition all ATF+4 is a Group III "Synthetic".
    #175 of 217
    Cash for Clunkers by awaw
    Jun 22, 2009 (8:02 am)
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    We have a 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE, 6 cylinder. Thinking seriously
    about taking advantage of the Cash for Clunkers program, if and when
    it becomes law. To qualify, a vehicle's mpg must 18 or less.
    Is there any updated/realistic source to determine average mpg for this vehicle?
    Thank you.
    #176 of 217
    Cash for Clunkers by awaw
    Jun 22, 2009 (8:07 am)
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    I apologize if my message was posted in the wrong discussion thread.
    Still learning how the forum works.
    Thanks again.
    #177 of 217
    New Happy Owner by old
    Jun 22, 2009 (11:48 am)
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    A couple weeks ago my wife and I just bought an 09' Dodge SXT 4.0 GC with Nav, DVD and swivel seats and power doors and power rear fold, built in shades, etc, etc.
    this is our first minivan ever.
    Sticker was $38,900something, and we got it for like $32K or so, plus they gave us almost $3K more on our trade then Carmax would have. They did that to cover the taxes, tags, etc, and also to sweeten the deal.
    My goal was to get them to let me have the van for over $10K off MSRP, which they wouldn't do, but after it's all said and done, I think I got us there with the extra they gave us on the trade, so I'm happy.
    Oh yeah, and 0% finance is nice too.
     
    This is my wife's vehicle. I had her hand calculate the mileages, and the first tank got her about 17.5mpg, of mix.
    2nd tank she said got her 18.6 of mix.
     
    We just did a 200mile round trip to the beach, so I'm curious what the mileage will be when she fills up.
    I like the sound of the 4.0...it has a nice rumble sound when accellerating.
    her driving is hard accellerations and quick stops in city, but she cruises at 70 to 75 on the highways.
    Acceleration seems pretty decent...she said it doesn't compare to her 05' Accord V6, but that is to be expected considering this is twice the vehicle.
     
    anyhow, so far we love it. we have 2 small children 4yr old and 8 month old.
    DVD was nice for me...and the 4yr old.
     
    My friends were all raggin on me at first when I told them I got a minvan...until they saw it...now they're asking me when our next road trip is...LOL.
     
    One negative, was on the NAV. We had a Honda Accord with Nav (the car we traded in), and I drive an Acura RL with NAV. the NAV on the Dodge does not compare. First, you cannot program it while driving (even if you are the passenger), 2nd, it does not have a scroll knob that allows you to move the map around....you have to touch the screen to do that and it's much harder and more accident prone if you are the driver doing that.
    It seems alot of the simple buttons, like zoom, scroll, etc, are on the screen, which is a pain to work with.
     
    ps, only problem so far is the driverside power sliding door will open to the max, but the motor will keep clicking, as if it's trying to open the door even further, and then stop. We will take it to the dealer to get that fixed soon, but besides that..thumbs up...

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