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2009 GRAND CARAVAN/T&C FEED BACK

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2009 GRAND CARAVAN/T&C FEED BACK by etp
Mar 08, 2009 (3:42 am)
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Just bought two of these (a Grand for me and T&C for my daughter). We both got the 4.0 with 6 speed and they drive perfect. I was a mechanic until 911 and these seem to be tight well built vehicles. Just wondered how eveyone else was doing with their 2009 GC and TC.
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4.0L versus 3.8L by huffy
Mar 10, 2009 (1:15 pm)
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I was wondering how different the 4.0L felt (power, pep, noise, vibration, etc.) compared to the 3.8L. I am leaning toward getting a 09 Touring with the 4.0L option, but I didn't know if I should bother spending the extra $$ on it. Would I notice that big a difference?
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [huffy] by etp
Mar 10, 2009 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: huffy (Mar 10, 2009 1:15 pm)

The 4.0 had less noise and it comes with the sports suspension (anti lift/dive and sway bars both front and rear) as well as the 17" wheels. The 3.8 is a Jeep engine and the design looked a little dated. The plugs were in plain view as well as the plug wires. I suggest you drive them both at highway speeds. Do not just go around the block, and be sure to take a passenger in the second seat to listen and feel.. Make sure it shifts perfect with no noise and drives exactly the way you like.
 
My only regret is that I did not get a back up warning system.
 
PS// the Town and Country has different options so check it out before before you buy.
Whatever you want make sure the vehicle has it. Doing this stuff afterwards is not practical.
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [etp] by huffy
Mar 10, 2009 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: etp (Mar 10, 2009 1:59 pm)

Does the Touring model with the 4.0L option also come with the sport suspension / anti sway bars? I didn't know if the "sports" suspension came as part of the 4.0L engine option or if it was an extra option (like part of the towing package).
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [etp] by shipo
Mar 10, 2009 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: etp (Mar 10, 2009 1:59 pm)

Please understand that the 3.8 is NOT a Jeep engine in any way, shape or form. The 3.8 was a purpose built engine for minivans that dates back to the mid 1990s, and while it has been used in a few other applications (most recently in some Jeeps), well over 95% of the 3.8's ever built have been installed in minivans.
 
A few other items of note:
1) The 3.8 has a long-long history of reliability with many engines reaching into the three and four hundred thousand mile range.
2) The two 3.8s in our two minivans (a 1998 and a 2003) have amassed a combined 290,000 miles without even a single engine related repair. Not so much as even a small oil leak from the valve covers.
3) The 3.8 design, while a bit "dated", uses a timing chain to actuate the cam and valve train. This timing chain arrangement is in most cases, good to go for the life of the vehicle.
4) The new 4.0 engine is as of yet an unproven engine from a reliability stand point (although I have little doubt that it will ultimately be regarded as a very good engine).
5) The new 4.0 engine uses a timing belt to actuate the overhead cams, and the belt needs to be replace on a periodic basis (not all that often, but I'm betting it isn't all that cheap when replacement time comes).
 
Were it that we were in the market for yet another minivan, we would think long and hard over whether to opt for the tried-and-true 3.8, or go with the more powerful 4.0.
 
Best regards,
Shipo
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [shipo] by xwesx
Mar 11, 2009 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 10, 2009 5:23 pm)

I will toss in my two pennies for the 3.8's reliability. I have 195,000 miles on my 1998 DGC; the engine runs perfectly. It purrs, leaks no oil, and remains plenty powerful while giving us an average of 18.3 mpg with an AWD platform. Were winters (constant temps below 32 degrees F) not six months long, I suspect the average would be a solid 2 mpg higher.
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [xwesx] by etp
Mar 11, 2009 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Mar 11, 2009 9:00 am)

Thanks all on the engine feedback. Very good news. Yes I love the chains man.
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [huffy] by etp
Mar 11, 2009 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: huffy (Mar 10, 2009 4:20 pm)

Does the Touring model with the 4.0L option also come with the sport suspension / anti sway bars? I didn't know if the "sports" suspension came as part of the 4.0L engine option or if it was an extra option (like part of the towing package).
 
(SXTL)The 4.0 with leather has the sport suspension and 17' wheels in the Dodge. My daughters does not have that option in a more loaded Town and Country with a 4.0/6 speed. I highly suggest you cherry pick one with a sport suspension off the lot. It sounds like the 3.8 and 4.0 will be fine by the feed back I have seen so far. But again, be sure to drive it and decide for your self with your wife in the back seat. I drove 8 units before I bought the 4.0/6 speed with leather. I was just plain quiet and shifted all 6 times like a clock.
BTW// all the vans drove fine for me, we just like a quiet vehicle. If you need a cheap van the 3.3 base units drove fine. They just had more cabin noise.
 
Also the 3.8 looked easier for a mechanic to work on/maybe!
 
We have 7 units in our family and have sold 5 over the years. Not a single one had a bad engine and three had transmission problems (two of those had a 100K plus). Nothing since 2001 has had any problems to speak of. I consider the Dodge vans one of the highest quality products on the road.
 
Important note for me. I do not or any member of my family work for Dodge or have ever worked for Dodge in any capacity. I am just a consumer who has ejoyed this product as well as my Chevy trucks and Honda Civics. .
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [etp] by etp
Mar 11, 2009 (2:42 pm)
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Replying to: etp (Mar 11, 2009 1:38 pm)

5) The new 4.0 engine uses a timing belt to actuate the overhead cams, and the belt needs to be replace on a periodic basis (not all that often, but I'm betting it isn't all that cheap when replacement time comes).
 
Good points, but my Mitsubishi 3.0 1994 Dodge Caravan with a timing belt was the most solid engine I have ever owned. I replaced the belt myself at the shop at 70K as well as the water pump, oil seals and all tensioner pulleys. Quality engine in every way. Do not let the timing belt run you off even though I prefer a chain myself. Most newer designed engines except the Honda Hybrid have timing belts.
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Re: 4.0L versus 3.8L [etp] by huffy
Mar 11, 2009 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: etp (Mar 11, 2009 1:38 pm)

We currently have a 2005 Honda Odyssey. I am considering the Chrysler because of all the new features (2 DVDs, swivel seats, MyGig hard drive, in floor storage, etc.) Plus, I was thinking I could get a good deal on one right now. We have 5 kids and having all of those entertainment features and storage is a HUGE plus for trips, etc. My wife likes the Odyssey because it drives very much like a car, almost spritely. I wonder if the T&C will handle more "heavy" (sway / lean in curves, not have as peppy an engine, etc.) The Odyssey is very easy to drive and park. The Dodge GC might handle more similarly to the Odyssey than the T&C, but we like the luxury trimmings and overall appearance of the Chrysler better.
 
I was wondering if the 4.0L engine would make any difference or should I just save extra money and stick with the 3.8L (if the overall handling is the same between the 3.8 and the 4.0).

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