Last post on Oct 21, 2009 at 11:51 PM
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Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Infiniti G37, Car Comparisons, Coupe
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe - Let's not mess around; the price of entry for both of these machines is considerable. (more)
#74 of 123 Re: No more Mustang!! [pat]
Mar 16, 2009 (9:02 am)
Please find or create a suitable conversation...
I was gonna say "I would if the capability was still there," but it has finally mysteriously reappeared as an option on the reply page.
#75 of 123 Re: [joe97]
Mar 16, 2009 (9:03 am)
I don't think the Mustang comes in with a package called Track.
It does. It's mentioned in every review written about it. What have you been reading??
#76 of 123 Re: This Was Wrong [sjaieve]
Mar 16, 2009 (11:00 am)
I agree, there are a lot of reasons why the G37 can be considered a better car than the Genesis (just as there are reasons the 335i can be considered better than the G37). Different people can have different preferences, and that's a great thing for the overall market as it gives more variety. I think it's great that Edmunds did this test, as it shows two different takes on a class of vehicle that I'm very interested in.
I've been considering picking up a used G35 coupe, but the Genesis coupe has made me think about that - I could get a new car for the price of a similar used model. I'm not sure I'm going to get either yet, and perhaps I'll even wait until I can consider a lightly-used Genesis coupe if the depreciation is going to be typical for Korean brands. It could be a fantastic buy.
Mar 16, 2009 (2:38 pm)
The Genisis Sedan is a pleasing looking car while the Coupe is quite awkward looking. That being said, I'm sure the Genisis is a well built car and I would actual consider the sedan down the road, but that Coupe is just unappealing to the eye. My opinion of course. I drive a 04 G35 Coupe purchased new and love it.
#78 of 123 Re: This Was Wrong [acgator03]
Mar 17, 2009 (7:27 am)
That explains why another magazine did the same test.
#79 of 123 Re: This Was Wrong [sjaieve]
Mar 17, 2009 (3:42 pm)
wait !, there are other factors:
1. exchange rate. japanese yen is very high (probably temprary thing). you are paying 10-20% higher. I wonder what would happen to re-sale value when japanese yen stabilizes.
2. re-sale value of japanese car. the resale value of japanese cars are at the peak. recently their resale values are on down-hill. for example, toyota camry is now using 90% non-japanese part (including engine ! mostly US and chinese parts) and therefore its recent reliability is not at the top of the class any more.
3. resale value of korean car. - it is going up. they are using 90% korean parts which is far better than non-japanses parts. korean cars reliability is now on par with japanese luxury(which uses 90% japanese parts).
4. exchange rate of korean won is now very low. korean cars are cheap now. a few years down the road. korean cars will be more expensive (and better reliability than japanese non-luxury cars that uses US and chinese parts).
It's about getting ahead of curve. Buying Acura/Lexus 20 years ago was a smart move. I stopped buying Japanese electronics about 10 years ago. Instead I started buying Korean electronics like Samsung. I enjoyed their quality at half prices of Sony or Panasonic. Since then Samsung's pricing power doubled and Sony and Pansonic prices went down half.
#80 of 123 Re: This Was Wrong [eoulim]
Mar 17, 2009 (5:27 pm)
Yes Toyota's luxury has declined but its still ahead. The top realiable cars are all Japanese makes with most have highest resale values. If you believe the Koreans will be ahead in the future, great, go ahead with that assumption. We will have to agree to disagree.
I am not going to comment on exchange rates but consider that the Japanese have not had to offer 10 year warranties, there are doing ok with 3/4/5 yr ones and are still priced higher than their Korean counterparts. Even with Toyota's sales declining and Hyundai's increasing, the gap is still wide. And then you have not considered economies of scale enjoyed by the Japanese over everyone, maybe except for the Americans. That also helps to drive down costs.
The fact of the matter is if the Koreans priced their products like the established players, they would be slaughtered, so to say you are overpaying because a Korean brand is priced to prenetrate the market, is not justified. My model tells me>
European overpriced, Japanese appropriately priced (hence the sales numbers with corresponding high resale values), Koreans underpriced (maybe predatory pricing) to penetrate the market while offering 10 yr warranties and Hyundai assurance programs without which survival would be tough.
Thats my 2 cents
Oh on exchange rates, wait for the markets to calm down, right now USD is overvalued against most currencies but I am no expert, lets wait and see
#81 of 123 Re: This Was Wrong [acgator03]
Mar 17, 2009 (10:39 pm)
Funny considering that a no. of other auto publications have compared the GenCoupe to the G37.
And your little anecdote is no more better or helpful than me stating that I know a no. of physicians (surgeons, oncologists) who drive Hyundais.
And oh, the G37 in Japan is "just a Nissan."
#82 of 123 Re: This Was Wrong [sjaieve]
Mar 17, 2009 (10:42 pm)
Otoh, the resale value on the Infiniti M is pretty horrendous and all indications are that the Genesis sedan will have better a better resale value.
#83 of 123 Re: [bocatrip]
Mar 17, 2009 (10:48 pm)
The G35 Coupe is the best design from Infiniti (aside from its chinzy interior).
Too bad Infiniti ruined the classic lines of the G35 Coupe in the G37.
The GenCoupe looks awkward due to its misshaped-missized grille .
The solution to that is to get an aftermarket grille or paint the hood black (like the concept).
From the side and rear, I'd say the GenCoupe is more aggressive and interesting-looking (the flat side panels on the G37 look feminine and outdated).