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Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Infiniti G37, Car Comparisons, Coupe
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe - Let's not mess around; the price of entry for both of these machines is considerable. (more)
#56 of 123 Re: [lexuslvr]
Mar 12, 2009 (9:35 am)
- ""Front, side, side air curtain air bags"" Mustang has it
- ""Active front head restraints"" Mustang has it
- Tire pressure monitoring system Mustang has it (as well as every other 2009+ car)
- ""High intensity discharge Xenon headlights"" Mustang has it
- Fog lights Mustang has it
- Heated mirrors with outside turn indicator
- ""Aero wiper blades"" You're kidding here, right? That's a noteworthy feature?
- Proximity Key with Push Button Start (becha cain't get that on a Mustang)
- Black leather seats Mustang has it
- Heated front seats Mustang has it
- Power driverís seat with lumbar support Mustang has it
- Fully automatic temperature control dual-zone in Mustang
- Leather-wrapped steering wheel/shift knob Mustang has it
- Aluminum pedals Mustang has it
- Metalgrain and chrome interior accents Mustang has actual metal
- Premium door sill plates Mustang has it (illuminated, while you're at it)
- Power windows, door locks, & mirrors Mustang has it
- ""Cruise control / Auto light control"" Mustang has it (except the auto-on lights; useful if you're a girl and don't want to break a nail)
- ""Infinity premium audio with 10-speakers"", AM/FM/XM/MP3/CD Changer Mustang has it (a better one at that w/ Sirius. General consensus is that XM is inferior to Sirius as far as quality and content. Infinity OEM car audio sucks; I've had it before.)
- ""USB/iPod/Aux jack connectivity"" Mustang has it
- Steering wheel audio controls Mustang has it
- Trip computer Mustang has it
- Bluetooth connectivity Mustang has it
- ""Electrochromic mirrors with Homelink and compass"" Mustang has it
So your point was? And according Edmunds Insideline, the 2010 Mustang GT with its "outdated V8," as you call it, outperforms the Genesis V6. [ And that new Hyundai Genesis coupe everybody is swooning over? Well, the new Mustang GT out-performs it, too. ] And you don't even want to bring mods into the equation! I seem to recall either Insideline or C&D said an ECU remap on the Mustang GT (simply programming it to require premium fuel) boosts HP to 345+.
And how presumptuous of you to think you know more about cars. You might be able to make the Genesis sound "better" to yourself or other import lovers, but as soon as you say "V6," you've lost my interest in paying for one. A high-stressed, 300HP V6 w/ a paltry 270 ft-lbs of torque or a barely even breathing 315HP V8 w/ 325 ft-lbs of torque. Hmm...
And I LOVE how you have to drop names to make the Genesis seem superior. Just like the true American spirit, with the Mustang, the only thing that matters is what happens when the rubber meets the road. Literally. And the Genesis can't hang.
I don't see why you had to get so defensive and be insulting. I didn't even say anything negative about the Genesis, but you seem to have been chomping at the bit to drop your "Mustink" line, as though that's original. (rolleyes)
#57 of 123 Re: [tayl0rd]
Mar 12, 2009 (10:26 am)
Actual metal trim is a HORRIBLE idea.
You bang your brief case against aluminum trim and it's dented for life, period. Can't fix creased aluminum.
At least plastic bounces right back.
Looks great, but functionally a disaster.
#58 of 123 Re: [tayl0rd]
Mar 12, 2009 (10:30 am)
Otoh, you seem to overlook the fact that the market for muscle cars and sports cars are very different.
While the new Mustang has improved in its handling/ride/suspension, Edmund's was hardly impressed.
"With that said, the Mustang's initial turn into a corner is immediate, almost disconcertingly so since the steering is lifeless and doesn't build effort commensurate with the movements of the chassis. The new car is an improvement over previous Mustangs, but it doesn't hold a candle to the way the 2009 Nissan 370Z responds to steering inputs.
No review involving the 2010 Ford Mustang would be complete without addressing the live axle. It has its benefits for launching and on billiard-table-smooth road-racing tracks, yet makes its compromises known to you in the real world far too often. Years of development still haven't reversed physics, and you're reminded of this every time the Mustang's rear end encounters a bump and pitches you vertically like a toddler on a parent's knee."
"But after two weeks behind the wheel of this 2010 Ford Mustang GT, we've decided that the Track Pack doesn't take things far enough. Oh, there's plenty of grip, and the Mustang has a real ability to change direction, but its suspension still dives, squats and leans far more than it needs to (Look at all that body roll in these powerslide photos. It looks like we disconnected the sway bars.), and it doesn't deal with crests or elevation changes as well as it could."
And that was for the GT version w/ Track Pack.
'In that earlier report we complained about the new Mustang's over-boosted steering, its soft brake pedal and the way it flops around on its suspension. We wrote, "On winding canyon roads the 2010 Ford Mustang is still too big, too soft and too vague to really toss around with any measure of precision."'
While the Mustang does pretty well w/ acceleration (the V8 version; tho it appears the Camaro will beat the 'Stang's 0-60 comfortably), it falls pretty short of the handling prowess of a Z370 or a G37, unlike the GenCoupe.
Some people just want brute power, others prefer superior handling/ride/suspension - for instance, the Cayman isn't superfast (but fast enough for most), but more than makes up for it w/ its superior handling/ride/suspension.
#59 of 123 Re: [jyym]
Mar 12, 2009 (10:44 am)
While the Mustang does pretty well w/ acceleration (the V8 version; tho it appears the Camaro will beat the 'Stang's 0-60 comfortably), ...
At 3800+ pounds and less HP & TRQ, not likely.
#60 of 123 Re: [tayl0rd]
Mar 12, 2009 (2:17 pm)
I guess I pushed all your buttons so hard that you didn't even try to read all of my posts. I told you to name things that ONLY came on the Mustang but instead you only named three and put things that could be found on both so I decided to follow your route. You should have been able to see that I copy and pasted that extremely long list because I got tired of typing all of it. I really put down these because of the fact that they are standard. The only thing optional on it was the 6-speed auto.
It all started however with your quote, "A fully loaded Mustang GT (coupe) has way more equipment/options than a fully loaded Genesis coupe". I hope by now you see that the Mustang does not have way more options than the Genesis in fact the Genesis has more options than the Mustang. Furthermore I hope that you see that for the same options on both cars you are looking at a difference in price of about 7k (30995 Genesis, 38000 Mustang) which is what everyone overlooks when they say "the Genesis for WAAAHT!? 31k!? I can buy a Mustang for 28k!".
As for the "Mustink", that was more of a lol type remark that I saw someone had post on Motortrend.
#61 of 123 Re: okay [pat]
Mar 12, 2009 (4:18 pm)
Gentlemen, this is a Hyundai Genesis Coupe vs Infiniti G37 Coupe thread.
Let's stay with the topic.
Mustang is a muscle car which should be compare to cars such as Camaro.
#62 of 123 Re: [tayl0rd]
Mar 12, 2009 (8:36 pm)
At 3800+ pounds and less HP & TRQ, not likely.
Well, the Camaro SS was tested doing 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.
And Edmund's just did a retest of the GenCoupe and got a respectable 5.9 0-60 time (tho not as fast as Motor Trend's 5.5 time).
#63 of 123 Re: [jyym]
Mar 13, 2009 (9:13 am)
Please can you take this Mustang/Camaro/ american car muscle argument elsewhere where its appreciated. For some of us even if these cars are offered with 1000hp for $20 we wouldnt buy them. Be kind, take this somewhere else.
#64 of 123 Re: [lexuslvr]
Mar 13, 2009 (9:23 am)
Sorry. You didn't press any buttons here. I think you're the one who got in an uproar over nothing. I didn't overlook your post. In fact, I forgave it. I didn't respond to the fact that you rattled off a bunch of stuff included in the "Track" package. I made zero mention of the Mustang's Track package. What does the Genesis come with without the Track package?
#65 of 123 To the Host
Mar 13, 2009 (9:33 am)
Please move this thread to the Mustang forum, its becoming useless here.