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#846 of 1296 Re: My new 2010 Legacy Limited--a few things to say
Jan 23, 2010 (4:40 pm)
I've had my 2010 Legacy Limited for 3 weeks; just crossed 1k miles today. The exterior styling more than anything else is growing on me and I'm liking it more and more, in and out. After driving my brother's '09 WRX, I seriously considered the Legacy GT but didn't want 6MT and premium gas given the stop-n-go /nonstop driving we do here in Los Angeles, so I opted for the Limited. Way less torque, way better mileage.
I took it up on L.A.'s twisty Mulholland Drive today (now that 4 days of rains have ended) and threw it around on some wet curves and lo and behold! was very pleasantly suprised by the handling....like all my other Legacies (4 in the past 15 years, most recently a 2006), it handles like it is on rails. I could NOT get the tires to squeal for anything! No slide whatsoever and the car can definitely be pushed through the curves & switchbacks. But SOMETHING feels so different. Maybe because the sight line from the driver's seat makes the car feel so much bigger, my perception is that it is less nimble somehow than my '06? Not sure I can say what it is yet...it feels alot less athletic than my old Legacies. I kept wondering about the new GT; Subaru claims that the steering and chassis for all cars in the line are tuned the same....I wonder.
Overall, it feels way more luxe...it is definitely softer, less taut and while the seats are in some ways much more comfortable than the 2006, I miss the bolsters on those curves. I would also like the electric lumbar support to fill up firmer; even on max it feels too soft for me.
The turning radius feels much larger than my '06 (despite what Subaru claims is a very minor lengthening of the car overall). A fine stereo, nice leather inside, nice door thump on closing, no wind noise whatsoever (never was in the '06 either, for that matter, even with frameless windows), excellent climate control, a back seat much given much acclaim by both my tall friends and elderly mom. A vast improvement on rear seat legroom! Also, being 6 feet tall, on the rare instances when I was in the right front seat and someone else was driving my '06, the footwell was uncomfortably shallow. Problem gone in the 2010.
As for the CVT--it is something to get used to. This car will get up and go--even with only 170 horses--and the very low end torque feels better than my '06 but the complete absence of shift points takes some getting used to. The paddle shifters help alot!
There's alot to like in this new Subie, but there's also alot to get accustomed to if you are a long-time Subaru driver/fan and you've always appreciated that nimble scrappy feeling that older ones had. They hit the mark with cabin improvements and on going more mainstream, but I'm still adjusting to the changes.
#847 of 1296 Re: Heat Problems [mikey00]
Jan 24, 2010 (5:21 am)
I've noticed the same thing.
On cold mornings my feet are freezing.
#848 of 1296 Heat problems
Jan 24, 2010 (9:37 am)
I've noticed that no matter where I leave the heater/directional control I always have to reset it to that it's split between dashboard and feet. I've only had to use the defrost setting a few times and it really does the job quickly.
Took my first drive with 3 passengers yesterday, from our town to the mountains where it was in the low teens. Everyone, including the back seaters said the heat settings felt good to them.
#849 of 1296 Re: Heat Problems [john427]
Jan 25, 2010 (4:10 pm)
I mentioned this on another Subaru forum and found there are many others complaining about the same thing. Best solution I have found so far is to set heat to setting for face and feet and then manually close all the dash vents that direct heat at your face. This is the only way to get heat directed at your feet only. If you use setting for feet only it also comes out the defrost vent. This still doesn't get your feet as warm as every other car I have owned but it's ok.
#850 of 1296 Re: Heat Problems [mikey00]
Jan 25, 2010 (4:48 pm)
It would be helpful if it was clear that this issue was related to manual or climate control (auto) or both.
#851 of 1296 Subaru Legacy, Honda CRV or Toyota Camry?
Jan 25, 2010 (5:29 pm)
Hi, I drive over a mountain (both directions) in the Catskills (NYS) twice a week. Friends and relatives suggested i purchase an AWD. I love the 2010 Legacy and am thinking of the Premium with an all-weather package, but here are my concerns.
1- Can purchase the Honda CRV for $2000 less. (Less than invoice price - not sure why) and can purchase Toyota Camry for $1000 - 2000 less than Legacy.
2- Consumer Reports states that the Legacy has "pronounced body lean and tends to fishtail if throttle is lifted in midturn," whereas they state the the Camry's "Well-calibrated stability-control system steps in promptly to keep the car on its chosen path." So which is it? Is it the AWD system or the stability control that keeps the car from slipping in bad weather?
3- Last, Honda pushes that their depreciation is only 39% after 5-years. I looked up Legacy's depreciation on 'Intellichoice.' Although i wasn't given a percentage, the website said the 2009 Legacy's 5-year cost was "poor."
Can someone clear things up for me?
Does the Subaru ride safer than the CRV or Camry?
Is it worth the extra money?
And does it need more repair work and are the parts more expensive?
I really like the Legacy, but the more i look into it's level of quality, the more confused i get.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
#852 of 1296 Re: Subaru Legacy, Honda CRV or Toyota Camry? [elena_l]
Jan 25, 2010 (6:33 pm)
Drive all 3 make your own decision.
AWD drive systems vary a lot in how well they work. The best are from Audi/VW, BMW and Subaru.
I ordered the 3.5R since I wanted a std auto with fixed ratio AWD, others like CVT it works well on my daughters Nissan FWD.
The Camry and CRV are not in the same class if you want a good AWD.
I don't think that Subaru maint. costs are more than Honda or Toyota, I can tell you from lurking here that Subaru owners expect more from the manufacturer.
PS: I would not take Consumer reports as gospel for a washing machine, never mind a car.
#853 of 1296 Re: Subaru Legacy, Honda CRV or Toyota Camry? [elena_l]
Jan 25, 2010 (10:14 pm)
I recently did some research on the CRV and was not very impressed. First of all, it's not very big - about the same length as my little Mazda3. Second, there were a few reviews at msn.com/autos that said people were having issues with the vehicle. There were very few reviews, so that may or may not mean much. The fact that it is a new model sometimes means there are some quality glitches. I haven't looked at the CRV reviews here at Edmunds, yet.
Toyota has just recalled millions of vehicles for problems related to sudden acceleration. Granted, most people do not have this issue, but it a concern. Toyota seems to be slipping a bit in quality.
What about it, Subaru owners, have you experienced handling problems with your vehicles? I haven't seen anyone mention it on these forums.
#854 of 1296 Re: Heat Problems [britgeezer]
Jan 26, 2010 (6:53 am)
The cold feet problem we were discussing is both systems. The auto climate control also adds the problem of not controling the temp as well as other cars with auto temp control. Both issues are well documented on the Subaru boards. I have a new Legacy Premium which has the manual heat and I can confirm the cold feet problem. I have a new Outback Limited on order which has the auto climate control so I will get to test that in a few weeks.
#855 of 1296 Re: Subaru Legacy, Honda CRV or Toyota Camry? [doggrandma]
Jan 26, 2010 (7:52 am)
I've had a 2010 Outback, 4 cyl. Limited since late Oct. I have about 4,000 miles on it. We love it. Handles fine, including on ice/snow covered roads. Like the CVT tranny. While no race car, has enough power for our needs. You'll see talk on this thread about weak heat on your feet. I have noticed that. Not a big deal for me. I just let the car warm up before I turn the heat on then run it on Auto for a couple of mins. I then have to cut the fan back because it gets too warm. I wrote more detailed reveiws on this thread, nos. 626 & 632. Suggest you give those a look. BTW, my sister-in-law traded her relatively new Honda CRV for a new 2008 Forester in 12/2009. She likes the Subaru AWD system much better than the system used in the CRV. Hope this is helpful.