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701 messages, Last post on Dec 02, 2009 at 8:16 PM
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If we can get past comments about the roof rack ... What is the real world experience with this car/wagon/ SUV? We recently had the chance to drive one, together with many competing products, with the intent to replace our Jeep Cherokee Limited (4.7v8) and were very impressed. We have had bad experience with other high end intelligent AWD systems (FX-45) and this vehicle seemed a good compromise. Any comments out there on owning a 2010 model? OK, if you want a moan; the exterior color, wheel and headlight options are dummer than a 1st year marketing person on their first day might choose, but if we try and and get past that .... What's the vote? Thanks BG |
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I am looking for the best AS performance tire for my new Outback Ltd which is due to arrive in about a month. Ideally I would like better handling in the dry & wet without significant compromise of the smooth quiet ride. Also I encounter 5-10 days of winter driving in conditions -- more ice than snow - & would like to have & better winter traction better winter traction that OEM tires. Based on Novembers Consumer Reports results & Tire Racks owners surveys, the Michelin Primacy MXV4 appears to be superior to the any other tires for my driving needs. It appears to simply has the best balance of any AS tires including superior ice braking & low. Goodyear Triple Treads sound good, but not equal to the MXV4. The only hang up is that the Primacy MXV4 does not come in a 17" 60 series. The overall diameter difference between the Michelin 235/55 -17 tire & the Conti OEM 225/60-17 is 0.4" (27.6" for 60 series & 27.4" for 55 series) or 1.4%. The difference between section width is 0.3" of 3.1%. The difference in revolutions / mile is only 11 or 1.4%. I assume that the fitment of the 55 series on the 2010 OB is very unlikely to pose any problems given that the tread depth is over 0.3" so that there will be that much varience in the wear anyway. Since the Michelin has lower rolling resistance I assume that any loss of mpg due to the slightly smaller size will be made up in the reduced rolling resistance. Perhaps the ride may be slightly firmer due to the shorter side wall of the 55 series tire, but at the trade off of slightly better handling. All that said I can't see a downside to going to the 235/55 tire Michelin which appears to be the best all around performance all season; and should not present any problems for my 2010 OB. Am I missing anything here? |
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Replying to: 204meca (Nov 07, 2009 8:27 pm) youll love it ok itsnot perfect find me a car that is but its a subi and you will like the awd its good the inproved leg room is a long time coming and totally awesome now i love the cvt tranny so far and although i have the legacy 2010 its the same engine as the outback i am getting 27 mpg combined now thats a heck or alot better than many and although its not a race car when you push the peddle it goes and dont forget you can use the paddle shifters also its pretty quiet ecept in morning when warming up but that is a characerisitc of the boxer engine it is smooth nice little details and so far after 2 thousand miles trouble free and hope it stay that way for many miles the radio controls and heat controls seem not big enough or out enough from the system so sometimes my fingers stumle on them (lol) but its fine the pwer seats very nice color choices nice but the tan interior is not for me so it limited my choices trunk large but opening very small ride very nice handling good acceleration nice features pretty nice standard sterio nice (much better thaan old subi's) heated seats nice console nice glove box big storage nice xtyle i personally thing the legacy is beatiful although it looks like some it has a little diffrence and i like it blends in but looks nice headlights very bright heat and ac very good and the heat gets hotttttttttt gas milleage exceptional for power and awd and compared to others im doing better than my neighbor with a camary come on now that says something dont be afraid only thing i feel bad about is not buying american but then again the equinox i had was asslembled in mexico and i think the engine was korean or or soemthing like that we didnt screw gm they did anyway i think most will enjoy the new subi's i am! 
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Replying to: jtny1 (Nov 08, 2009 3:53 am) cdndriver |
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Replying to: jtny1 (Nov 08, 2009 3:53 am) we didnt screw gm they did isn't an IN made Legacy/OB 65% US parts? |
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| I was checking dealer inventories in Northern California for the 2.5i limited with moonroof AND Nav and there seems to be only 1 vehicle in all of No. Cal.! (and it has the off-black leather......which I don't want). Don't they think any Outback drivers want Nav? | |
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Replying to: 204meca (Nov 07, 2009 8:27 pm) That difference is not going to overly affect your car's driving characteristics. At 1.4%, you are still within the practical range of 2% before you may start noticing your speedometer being off, etc. Over the course of 36,000 miles, your odometer will note ~500 miles more than you actually drove. Just makes sure that you have the strut clearance to mount the 235s. Sometimes that clearance is very tight even at the factory size. It is odd that you cannot get a 60-series. Does Michelin not make them, or the place you are looking to buy just does not have them? If the latter, I would order them and wait.
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 09, 2009 9:48 am) |
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I've had a 2010 OB Limited, 4 cyl. for about 3 weeks now. We put about 900 miles on it during a road trip in PA & NY last week. I've owed a 2000 & 2004 Foresters, which I was very happy with. Overall, very satisified with the OB. Here are the Pros & Cons, IMHO: Pros - Very smooth ride on all but the roughest roads. Quiet ride on most roads. Sufficient power to pass, go up hills, etc. Comfortable driver's seat. Same with back seat. Like the sun visor extenders. Got the NAV with backup camera. Really like the backup camera. Good visibility all around with that. The OB is a much more substantial car that the Foresters. By that I mean, more solid, more power. The CVT is great. We got 29.5 mph on mostly highway driving at about 65 mph on the way out & 27 on the way back with more stop and go driving. These figures were computed by me, independant of what the car read out was showing. BTW, the car read out showed we were getting about 4 mph better than we really were. Great crusing range in this car. 442 miles on the way out with about 3.5 gals. left in the tank. Quality and looks of the interior are very good. Cons - (I'm looking now with a critical eye.) Sloppy steering feel at highway speeds. By this I mean, overly assisted. The front passengers seat sits too low for me. Can not be adjusted for height. Limited rear visibility without the backup camera. My Foresters had more and bigger places for storeage. When no one is in the passengers seat, that seat belt tends to bang against the plastic door frame. (This is easily corrected by wrapping the seat belt around the seat). Choppy ride on rough roads. Cold air leaking on the passenger's side feet. Wish it had a full size spare. Owner's manual says you can't use the compact spare on the front of the car. So, if you get a flat in front, you have to move one of the rear tires to the front & put the spare on the rear. I also wish it had memory seats & push button start. Again, very happy with the car. I'll post my impressions of the NAV system, bluetooth, audio system if anyone is interested. Let me know.
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Replying to: jeffm5 (Nov 10, 2009 6:12 am) |
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