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676 messages, Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 7:40 AM
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Replying to: tee_el_cee (Oct 29, 2009 4:40 pm) I fully agree with you Brian. That new rack was change for the sake of change rather than improvement. |
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Replying to: bkaiser1 (Oct 30, 2009 7:52 am) I thought the spread was actually 30"?  October sales are out - Outback outsold the Forester for the first time in years. Both are way up, though. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 03, 2009 1:13 pm) But, for people who want to mount their own crossbars (and leave the stock rack in its "stowed" position), the exposed length of the stowed bars is only about 21" or so. (This is if you were wanting to mount your own cross bars to the stowed bars, using them as the rails.) If you look at the design of the stock 2010 rails, they could have positioned the rails such that they were farther apart than 30" in the crossed position. I don't know why the designers thought that a 30" spacing was optimal.
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Replying to: rschleicher (Nov 03, 2009 6:06 pm) 
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 03, 2009 6:26 pm) Yes, I think you're right. In order to have the start and end points of the two rails line up, the geometry of the pivoting racks leads to a 30" front to back spacing. On the other hand, since only part of the stowed rail is exposed/visible from the side, you'd hardly notice if the end points were staggered a bit to increase the rail spacing. Who knows, maybe they were also worried about having them too far apart for some purposes.... |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 03, 2009 1:13 pm) From the article: "Bad news now–the crossbar spread for the above options are an almost pointless 21″–less than you will need for boards or boats over 8′, and too narrow for any cargo baskets or boxes." Still, even with a 30" spread, I think this rack is a major step back for Subaru, and a major eyesore on an otherwise appealing car. What's more, this big plastic rack HAS to cost them more to make than the old rails, which were more practical. Brian
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Replying to: bkaiser1 (Nov 05, 2009 7:38 am) There's always the Forester.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 9:02 am) One of the service guys told me they had a seminar with company reps and after driving them for an hour, they had a big meeting. He said the service guys blasted the reps about the things we've been talking about. And they really hated the electronic E-brake. (apparently, if your battery dies, you have to stick some lever under the car to release the brake). That sounds safe!  Anyway, I was looking at the Forester. To equip it close to what my wagon has, I'd need the Touring package, which brings the cost above what my Legacy was when I leased it. Around: 30 grand. I'm not sure if I'll do it. I'm also looking at the Volvo V50, and the Saab 9-3 wagon, though they're more, and really hard to find here. GM Canada isn't bringing any more in since they're selling the division.(which doesn't particularly inspire confidence). so I'm not sure what to do. I asked about finding an 090 Legacy wagon, but the guy said there aren't many and they wouldn't lease one anyway. so it's back to the research..... cdndriver... I think Subie really burned a lot of people on this one. |
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If we can get past comments about the roof rack ... What is the real world experience with this car/wagon/ SUV? We recently had the chance to drive one, together with many competing products, with the intent to replace our Jeep Cherokee Limited (4.7v8) and were very impressed. We have had bad experience with other high end intelligent AWD systems (FX-45) and this vehicle seemed a good compromise. Any comments out there on owning a 2010 model? OK, if you want a moan; the exterior color, wheel and headlight options are dummer than a 1st year marketing person on their first day might choose, but if we try and and get past that .... What's the vote? Thanks BG |
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I am looking for the best AS performance tire for my new Outback Ltd which is due to arrive in about a month. Ideally I would like better handling in the dry & wet without significant compromise of the smooth quiet ride. Also I encounter 5-10 days of winter driving in conditions -- more ice than snow - & would like to have & better winter traction better winter traction that OEM tires. Based on Novembers Consumer Reports results & Tire Racks owners surveys, the Michelin Primacy MXV4 appears to be superior to the any other tires for my driving needs. It appears to simply has the best balance of any AS tires including superior ice braking & low. Goodyear Triple Treads sound good, but not equal to the MXV4. The only hang up is that the Primacy MXV4 does not come in a 17" 60 series. The overall diameter difference between the Michelin 235/55 -17 tire & the Conti OEM 225/60-17 is 0.4" (27.6" for 60 series & 27.4" for 55 series) or 1.4%. The difference between section width is 0.3" of 3.1%. The difference in revolutions / mile is only 11 or 1.4%. I assume that the fitment of the 55 series on the 2010 OB is very unlikely to pose any problems given that the tread depth is over 0.3" so that there will be that much varience in the wear anyway. Since the Michelin has lower rolling resistance I assume that any loss of mpg due to the slightly smaller size will be made up in the reduced rolling resistance. Perhaps the ride may be slightly firmer due to the shorter side wall of the 55 series tire, but at the trade off of slightly better handling. All that said I can't see a downside to going to the 235/55 tire Michelin which appears to be the best all around performance all season; and should not present any problems for my 2010 OB. Am I missing anything here? |
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