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Confused Over Quality Ratings by miamicrv1
Oct 23, 2009 (4:01 am)
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If you look at the latest information on the JD Power website, the 2010 Legacy barely manages to stay at "average" across all the quality rankings. Which is truly not my perception of Subaru.
 
And if you look at the Nissan Altima which seems to be a disaster in terms of owner feedback, it scores well above average and almost twice as high as the Legacy.
 
What gives? Is the 2010 Legacy a a problem free or a problem prone vehicle?
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Re: Bluetooth w/harman kardon audio? [crb667] by sweetsoul
Oct 23, 2009 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: crb667 (Oct 21, 2009 7:25 pm)

Thanks crb667 that is awesome news! Was wondering since you were able to pair it with the Pre...Can you do voice dialing with the bluetooth system in your Legacy? I know the Pre does not have voice dialing, but wasn't sure how that works through the vehicle's bluetooth? Thanks Again!
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Re: Confused Over Quality Ratings [miamicrv1] by ateixeira
Oct 23, 2009 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: miamicrv1 (Oct 23, 2009 4:01 am)

Historically Subaru has not scored well on the JD Powers IQ study, which only looks at the first 90 days of ownership, but they do better in the 5 year Durability study by JDP, and in CR, and even with TrueDelta.
 
Join TrueDelta if you get the chance, they're very innovative and are coming out with new ratings methods soon. I cannot discuss due to a confidentiality agreement, but Subaru ratings there have been very promising.
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Re: Confused Over Quality Ratings [ateixeira] by cdndriver
Oct 23, 2009 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 23, 2009 6:42 am)

Interesting about the JD Power.
What is "True Delta"?
I've had two Legacy wagons and found both of them to have been really good in the short term, and over the three years I've had each of them (03, and 07). The only thing I've found is that at around 60000km, I've had to redo the front brakes. I drive a lot in a big city, but still the brakes are not a strong point, and really expensive to fix. Otherwise I've been very pleased with the cars.
I doubt I'll get another one though since they've dropped the Legacy wagon. I don't want the sedan, and certainly don't want the OB. I also think they've cheapen the cars with the kleenex box sized sunroofs, hi/lo seat heaters instead of the dial, no turn signals or folding mirrors and such. I might go for a Forrester, but I don't think it's as solid as the Legacy was. So I'm looking at the competition seriously.
Subaru hasn't left me mucy choice
cdndriver
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Toyota RAV4 6 cylinder vs. Subaru Outback 3.6R by priggly
Oct 23, 2009 (7:23 pm)
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Anyone shopped the new Outback 3.6R against the six cylinder Toyota RAV4?
 
How does the RAV4's AWD system compare to that of the Outback?
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Re: Confused Over Quality Ratings [cdndriver] by ateixeira
Oct 27, 2009 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: cdndriver (Oct 23, 2009 3:38 pm)

True Delta is a new site that measures reliability on an ongoing basis with members who belong to sites like this. He remains in touch with members quarterly and sends reminders and constantly collects and updates the data. Using that strategy produces results much sooner than CR's or JDP's surveys, which are annual and rely on lots of snail mail and long surveys.
 
I can't wait for the new scoring system to go public - I think it will be very well received when it does.
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Re: Toyota RAV4 6 cylinder vs. Subaru Outback 3.6R [priggly] by ateixeira
Oct 27, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Oct 23, 2009 7:23 pm)

I don't think that's an area of strength for Toyota. Here's one article:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yp1PkXizeQ
 
I own a Sienna and it was the run-flat tires that made me shy away from AWD, but it's not thought of as a particularly strong system.
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Roof Rack by tdiver
Oct 29, 2009 (9:50 am)
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I like the looks of the new Outback but what's up with that roof rack? It looks like a cheap piece of crap. Why could'nt they have designed it more like the one on my 04 FXT? I don't use or need a roof rack so the first thing I did was pull the crossbars off and no harm no foul on the looks of the vehicle. I see that in the Japan models you don't have to get them. I know there are those that use them (Kayak's etc..) but I would really like to know the percentage of people that really use them. I think they should be maybe a no cost option or a no cost delete. Am I alone out here with this? What do you'll think?
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Re: Roof Rack [tdiver] by cdndriver
Oct 29, 2009 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: tdiver (Oct 29, 2009 9:50 am)

The roof rack opens to a fairly narrow cross bar, close together, I mean. Though some people say it shows holding a kayak, actual users sound more skeptical.
I wonder how much stability there would be to a bike rack with a couple of bikes up there.
The idea is clever to have one that folds away, and I'm sure it's their way of discouraging people from buying after market racks, which is what I bet most people do. But it's a clumsy large bulky fixture up there, not sleek like the past ones have been.
I don't know if they hired new engineers there or what, but it just seems to me like they've cheapened so many things on this car. I'm disappointed, and checking out other makers more closely for my lease renewal in two months.
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Re: Roof Rack [cdndriver] by saedave
Oct 29, 2009 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: cdndriver (Oct 29, 2009 10:43 am)

I'm disappointed, and checking out other makers more closely for my lease renewal in two months.
 
Be sure to also inspect the Forester: Sleeker roof rails, same passenger space, shorter to park and folding side mirrors. Only chintzy items seem to be mouse fur headliner and thin carpet. The 4-speed versus CVT auto trans is a personal call; I drove the CVT Outback and the 4-speed Forester and preferred the Forester. The prices are not very different unless you would choose a stripper version of the Forester which could be a transportation bargain.

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