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#568 of 679 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat] by xwesx Oct 19, 2009 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 12:37 pm) The bigger the wheel, the more jarring the ride (all other things being equal). I noticed a dramatic improvement in the ride quality between the stock 17" wheels and the 16" wheels (stock from a 2007 Forester) I put on my Forester recently. Granted, some difference could be the tires, too, as they are different brands, etc., but that extra 1/2" of rubber between the rim and the ground absorbs a lot of vibration. Replies to this message: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 1:48 pm)
#569 of 679 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rsholland] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (1:44 pm)
Replying to: rsholland (Oct 19, 2009 12:43 pm) I think almost every new car I test drove was nice - compared to my 1998 Dodge Grand Caravan mommy-mobile that on a good day gets 15MPG around town, 18MPG highway with no acceleration to speak of. ( I am from NYC, my husband taught me how to drive when we were still young and he was a NY cabbie and I have a lead foot.) We were also stationed in Germany for four years so we got used to the autobahn speeds - or lack thereof.   I am hoping that with my new Outback and the MPG gauge right in front of me, I will learn how to be a better, calmer driver - except for the people in the DC area who don't know how to drive - except drive me crazy by going the speed limit in the left lane!   Some of the Outback consumer reviews complained about having the MPG gauge instead of a temperature gauge, but I think I will find it helpful. I am looking forward to computing my MPG after my first fill-up.
#570 of 679 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [xwesx] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (1:48 pm)
Replying to: xwesx (Oct 19, 2009 1:20 pm) I didn't know any of that stuff when I was test driving. I just thought all new cars would have a smooth, quiet ride with all the improvements and technology since 1998 when my van was still new. Actually, my beat-up old van had a better ride than the Venza.
#571 of 679 Re: Can the 2010 Outback tow? [eps105] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (1:56 pm)
Replying to: eps105 (Oct 19, 2009 11:54 am) Elliot, couldn't agree with you more about reading and researching before posting.   CARS101.com (I found it by accident by typing Subaru Research) was the site I relied on most for my research, specs, options and comparisons to similar vehicles before deciding on the 2010 Outback Limited. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 7:43 am) rkrat (Oct 20, 2009 10:01 am) ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 10:17 am) 204meca (Oct 20, 2009 7:55 pm)
#572 of 679 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat] by gregg_vw Oct 19, 2009 (7:19 pm)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 12:37 pm) First of all, though I like Subarus a lot, That said, the Venza is one of the best looking station wagon-type cars I have ever seen. Secondly, if you tested it with 20" wheels, you did not test it. Try 16" or 17" or even 18", but never never go bigger, unless your priorities are looks first. I think 16" wheels do a good job for most people (and ride much more smoothly than bigger ones), and I remember easily when 15" wheels were the big ones. Looks have usurped both utility and handling, You did not give the Venza a chance, And neither did the salesperson by not offering you a drive in another wheel size. Replies to this message: bamacar (Oct 20, 2009 4:03 am) priggly (Oct 20, 2009 6:21 am)
#573 of 679 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [gregg_vw] by bamacar Oct 20, 2009 (4:03 am)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 19, 2009 7:19 pm) The Venza only comes with either 19" or 20" wheels as standard equipment. A dealer would have to go outside the Toyota standard equipment, option, and accessory marketing plan to use anything smaller. The dealer did exactly as Toyota intended which is sell the vehicle with one of the two standard wheel sizes. It appears Toyota did not give the Venza a chance at reasonable wheel size and customer ride comfort. Blame Toyota not the dealer using the Toyota marketing plan or the customer who came for a test drive.
#574 of 679 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [gregg_vw] by priggly Oct 20, 2009 (6:21 am)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 19, 2009 7:19 pm) The problem is Toyota, not the dealer. 19" and 20" wheels are TOO BIG for the car. Toyota is simply catering to the current big wheel fad to hawk its wares.   Subaru, OTOH, is intelligently utilizing 17" wheels on its Outback. They are acceptably large cosmetically and much more functional.
#575 of 679 Re: Can the 2010 Outback tow? [rkrat] by ateixeira Oct 20, 2009 (7:43 am)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 1:56 pm) Let's cut people some slack here.   Subaru has 3 different engines (2.5i, 2.5T, and 3.6R) and 3 different transmissions (CVT, 5EAT, 6spd MT) and at least 3 different models (i, Premium, Limited) of each of those in 2 different body styles (sedan, crossover).   You need a PhD to keep it all straight, and that's just Legacy/Outback.   In Europe? It gets even more complicated. Add more engines to deal with (diesel) and one extra body style (wagon).   Toss in Forester, which many people compare, and you add 2 more transmissions (4EAT, 5 spd MT) and a different turbo engine (224hp) and a PZEV option on the non turbo (with differnet power ratings) and by the way they don't come in all combinations, only some.   It's tough to keep it all straight, so I can't blame people for coming for help, we should welcome them and try to help.   Toyota's Venza? You have one choice to make: 4 banger or V6. Period. Replies to this message: rkrat (Oct 20, 2009 10:01 am) ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 10:17 am)
#576 of 679 Re: Can the 2010 Outback tow? [ateixeira] by rkrat Oct 20, 2009 (10:01 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 7:43 am) Inquiring minds want to know......   With that said, there is enough research material available on the internet to answer some, not all, of the questions posted. I guess you just have to know where to look. Sometimes it does take precious time and patience to find what you are looking for.   The CARS101 website was extremely helpful to me while I was researching the Outback. It was very clear in explaining what was new for the 2010 models, what options were available, and how they were packaged. There are loads of pictures so you can see what the different options look like before you decide to buy.   I am not sure that every car manufacturer has such a dedicated salesman as Subaru has in Joe Spitz for developing and maintaining that website. It was truly invaluable to me in making my decision. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 10:17 am)
#577 of 679 Re: Can the 2010 Outback tow? [rkrat] by ateixeira Oct 20, 2009 (10:17 am)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 20, 2009 10:01 am) I appreciate the car101 web site also, but it was someone here who pointed it out to me. I'm not sure I would have stumbled across it on my own.   Also, the on-line tools don't always make it simple to see what equipment each model adds. It will just list a huge, long list of equipment and features.   For instance, what does the Limited package add?   It's easy to list all of the features, sure, but what if someone wants to know just what it adds over the 2.5i model, to see if they think it's worth the difference?   Not to mention it changes year by year. It used to include a moonroof, but not any more. The Premium package always had the all-weather gear included, but that's not always the case any more either.   It's just a complex task to keep track of it all.   Changing gears...   In the Miata community, something funny happened. Mazda used to have a base model, then Touring, then Sport, then Grand Touring. They flip-flopped. Now the Touring model is better equipped than the Sport. It's confusing like crazy to someone shopping for used cars. An 06 Sport = 07 Touring, 06 Touring = 07 Sport.   Try keeping that one straight.   No cars101 for Mazda, either.

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