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#564 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [ateixeira] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (12:37 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 15, 2009 11:20 am) Don't know how many people on this forum test drove the Toyota Venza. I did and I don't know anything about cars and the ride was horrible. The dealer explained to me that it was because of the 20 inch wheels, which are standard on the model I drove. You could feel every bump on the road and the ride was not smooth at all.   It was a shame because it was a nice-looking vehicle, the step-in height was perfect for me and the amenities inside the car were excellent, but all of that was diminished by the awful ride.   I came back to the Outback. Two more weeks until my new car arrives, just in time for the November incentives. Anyone know if Subaru will start offering cash incentives in November on the current model year? Replies to this message: rsholland (Oct 19, 2009 12:43 pm) rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 1:44 pm) xwesx (Oct 19, 2009 1:20 pm) rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 1:48 pm) gregg_vw (Oct 19, 2009 7:19 pm) bamacar (Oct 20, 2009 4:03 am) priggly (Oct 20, 2009 6:21 am)
#565 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat] by rsholland Oct 19, 2009 (12:43 pm)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 12:37 pm) I sat in the Venza, and yes, it was impressive—inside. Unlike you, however, I hate the exterior styling of that car. It comes off as a Dodge Magnum rip-off, with the huge wheels and chopped-look roof. Nope, don't like it one bit.   Bob Replies to this message: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 1:44 pm)
#566 of 706 4 month wait for Navi in the Boston Area by curve Oct 19, 2009 (12:58 pm)
I went to a dealer last weekend to check out the interior. We could not go sooner despite researching for months as we needed a baby sitter. Anyhow, my first impression from a "near luxury" Acura driver was that it was fine. The interior is slightly cheaper than my nearly 5 year old car but that is a badge issue. Some of the rubber at the bottom of holders were not properly glued so I can see how users complain of rattle noises down the line if fit & finish is so-so.   The surprise was that ordering navigation system is a 4 month affair. In fact they showed me an order from June that they still were waiting for delivery! In our discussions about lock-out features they were surprised that Acura does/did not.   I'll test drive soon, hopefully.   I have one comment for Elliot's remark: "It's still expensive though but with technology trickle-down, I bet we start to see systems like this closer to $1300 in the next few years."   I'm not sure this will happen...soon. In 2005 the Navi on the TSX was $2k vs. paying $800 for an after-market. I thought it was worth it for the looks, size and interface. In hindsight not worring about getting broken into for the portable ones was an added bonus. For 2009, the price for Navi is the same (Acura) but a good portable is down to $200-400. After 4-5 years auto manufacturers have not bothered to reduce prices. I'm sure it's high margin.   Thanks.
#567 of 706 It's the currency, stupid by curve Oct 19, 2009 (1:11 pm)
Most of you might remember when the first Bush lost the re-election mostly beacuse the tag line "it's the economy, stupid!" was so true.   Anyhow, to answer so many questions/remarks about reduced features and cheaper finish on this and many other blogs, the answer (mostly anyhow) is the falling US$ as a currency vs. other mayor countries. The Japanese yen appreciated 30% since late 2001. This means J auto makers make little money from selling cars to americans due to our horrible currency. The euro is up over 65%.   Competition is tough and raising prices much is not an option, thus the cost cutting moves (eg. non folding side mirrors)   Anyways, not trying to insult anybody with the headline but sometimes the obvious escapes us, especially U.S. centric mentality
#568 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat] by xwesx Oct 19, 2009 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 12:37 pm) The bigger the wheel, the more jarring the ride (all other things being equal). I noticed a dramatic improvement in the ride quality between the stock 17" wheels and the 16" wheels (stock from a 2007 Forester) I put on my Forester recently. Granted, some difference could be the tires, too, as they are different brands, etc., but that extra 1/2" of rubber between the rim and the ground absorbs a lot of vibration. Replies to this message: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 1:48 pm)
#569 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rsholland] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (1:44 pm)
Replying to: rsholland (Oct 19, 2009 12:43 pm) I think almost every new car I test drove was nice - compared to my 1998 Dodge Grand Caravan mommy-mobile that on a good day gets 15MPG around town, 18MPG highway with no acceleration to speak of. ( I am from NYC, my husband taught me how to drive when we were still young and he was a NY cabbie and I have a lead foot.) We were also stationed in Germany for four years so we got used to the autobahn speeds - or lack thereof.   I am hoping that with my new Outback and the MPG gauge right in front of me, I will learn how to be a better, calmer driver - except for the people in the DC area who don't know how to drive - except drive me crazy by going the speed limit in the left lane!   Some of the Outback consumer reviews complained about having the MPG gauge instead of a temperature gauge, but I think I will find it helpful. I am looking forward to computing my MPG after my first fill-up.
#570 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [xwesx] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (1:48 pm)
Replying to: xwesx (Oct 19, 2009 1:20 pm) I didn't know any of that stuff when I was test driving. I just thought all new cars would have a smooth, quiet ride with all the improvements and technology since 1998 when my van was still new. Actually, my beat-up old van had a better ride than the Venza.
#571 of 706 Re: Can the 2010 Outback tow? [eps105] by rkrat Oct 19, 2009 (1:56 pm)
Replying to: eps105 (Oct 19, 2009 11:54 am) Elliot, couldn't agree with you more about reading and researching before posting.   CARS101.com (I found it by accident by typing Subaru Research) was the site I relied on most for my research, specs, options and comparisons to similar vehicles before deciding on the 2010 Outback Limited. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 7:43 am) rkrat (Oct 20, 2009 10:01 am) ateixeira (Oct 20, 2009 10:17 am) 204meca (Oct 20, 2009 7:55 pm)
#572 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat] by gregg_vw Oct 19, 2009 (7:19 pm)
Replying to: rkrat (Oct 19, 2009 12:37 pm) First of all, though I like Subarus a lot, That said, the Venza is one of the best looking station wagon-type cars I have ever seen. Secondly, if you tested it with 20" wheels, you did not test it. Try 16" or 17" or even 18", but never never go bigger, unless your priorities are looks first. I think 16" wheels do a good job for most people (and ride much more smoothly than bigger ones), and I remember easily when 15" wheels were the big ones. Looks have usurped both utility and handling, You did not give the Venza a chance, And neither did the salesperson by not offering you a drive in another wheel size. Replies to this message: bamacar (Oct 20, 2009 4:03 am) priggly (Oct 20, 2009 6:21 am)
#573 of 706 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [gregg_vw] by bamacar Oct 20, 2009 (4:03 am)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 19, 2009 7:19 pm) The Venza only comes with either 19" or 20" wheels as standard equipment. A dealer would have to go outside the Toyota standard equipment, option, and accessory marketing plan to use anything smaller. The dealer did exactly as Toyota intended which is sell the vehicle with one of the two standard wheel sizes. It appears Toyota did not give the Venza a chance at reasonable wheel size and customer ride comfort. Blame Toyota not the dealer using the Toyota marketing plan or the customer who came for a test drive.

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