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#562 of 1296 Re: Elliot [rsholland]
Oct 19, 2009 (12:14 pm)
Thanks Bob for telling me that you updated the post. I never would have seen that otherwise as it was relegated to the previous page.
I'd be curious as to how it compares with a Garmin. I think you may have mentioned that before, but maybe not in too much detail? Obviously any portable NAVI units will be significantly cheaper, and the maps may be more up to date, as with the POIs. Can you elaborate a bit more on the portable vs. in-dash Subie NAVI units? It's easy for those of us who have not "lived" with an in-dash unit, to scoff at it, but I believe you also have a portable GPS unit. So your hands-on experience with both would be very helpful. Thanks.
I have a 3-year old Garmin Nuvi 360. I couldn't possibly put in writing here every difference, and each person has different needs anyway, so I'll try to summarize....
First off, someone coming from a Garmin is going to hate the Outback nav -- at first. The user interface appears to be not as elegant or refined. After playing with it for a while (hours), what I found is that different is not necessarily worse. It's just, well, different. The user interface and menu structure requires a learning curve because it's not copied from Garmin, so Garmin users will at first feel it in unintuitive. Once you learn where everything is, and figure out how to program points of interests and waypoints, and decipher all of the meanings of the different icons on the screen, and learn the quirky way to set up your favorite destinations and select a state to search in, it actually works very, very well.
The Subaru nav excells at quick startup, loud and friendly speech, and a feature called "QuickPOI" that shows common nearby destinations on the screen that you can click on while driving, like gas stations, and get detailed info about them and even call using Bluetooth. It also benefits from the giant screen by having split screen features and a handy zoomed-in inlay for your next turn.
The POI database is extensive, consuming 3 DVD's, so there's more types of POI's than a Garmin. It's more like the yellow pages.
The voice activation capability is also extensive, but the instructions on use are really, really poorly documented in the manual so you just need to play with it to understand. The voice activation lets you do most functions even when driving.
So the only things I liked better with my Garmin are the text-to-speech (not a big loss since the road name is in front of you in the Outback), 3-D view (turns out I'm starting to like the 2-D view better anyway), and of course the portability.
Price remains a factor, but as I've said many times on these boards -- if you can afford the $2000, you'll appreciate the complete integration of audio with the nav, bluetooth, MP3, radio as well as the rear camera, all playing nice through the speakers and using the steering wheel controls. It's still expensive though but with technology trickle-down, I bet we start to see systems like this closer to $1300 in the next few years now that Bluetooth and rear cameras are starting to become standard equipment in many cars.
OK, I've said as much as can. I totally need to get back to my day job! \
#563 of 1296 Re: Elliot [eps105]
Oct 19, 2009 (12:29 pm)
I recently got a Garmin 1490T, with the larger 5" screen. This is my first GPS, so I'm still in the process of learning it. I've said all along that I really appreciate the fully integrated NAVI units, for the very reasons you elaborated on.
The 1490T is pretty good. It does have Bluetooth and free traffic. The Bluetooth is really appreciated—but there's no phonebook, which I find really frustrating, The free traffic is just so-so at best. I could subscribe to an MSN (?) traffic source, but I'm too cheap. It's also got an "Eco Drive" function, which so far seem more like a gimmick than a useful feature. Finally, it's nowhere as elegant as having a built-in GPS, that's fully integrated with the car's functions.
I too just started using the 2-D viewing, and I seem to prefer that over the 3-D screen.
#564 of 1296 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [ateixeira]
Oct 19, 2009 (12:37 pm)
Don't know how many people on this forum test drove the Toyota Venza. I did and I don't know anything about cars and the ride was horrible. The dealer explained to me that it was because of the 20 inch wheels, which are standard on the model I drove. You could feel every bump on the road and the ride was not smooth at all.
It was a shame because it was a nice-looking vehicle, the step-in height was perfect for me and the amenities inside the car were excellent, but all of that was diminished by the awful ride.
I came back to the Outback. Two more weeks until my new car arrives, just in time for the November incentives. Anyone know if Subaru will start offering cash incentives in November on the current model year?
#565 of 1296 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat]
Oct 19, 2009 (12:43 pm)
I sat in the Venza, and yes, it was impressive—inside. Unlike you, however, I hate the exterior styling of that car. It comes off as a Dodge Magnum rip-off, with the huge wheels and chopped-look roof. Nope, don't like it one bit.
#566 of 1296 4 month wait for Navi in the Boston Area
Oct 19, 2009 (12:58 pm)
I went to a dealer last weekend to check out the interior. We could not go sooner despite researching for months as we needed a baby sitter. Anyhow, my first impression from a "near luxury" Acura driver was that it was fine. The interior is slightly cheaper than my nearly 5 year old car but that is a badge issue. Some of the rubber at the bottom of holders were not properly glued so I can see how users complain of rattle noises down the line if fit & finish is so-so.
The surprise was that ordering navigation system is a 4 month affair. In fact they showed me an order from June that they still were waiting for delivery! In our discussions about lock-out features they were surprised that Acura does/did not.
I'll test drive soon, hopefully.
I have one comment for Elliot's remark: "It's still expensive though but with technology trickle-down, I bet we start to see systems like this closer to $1300 in the next few years."
I'm not sure this will happen...soon. In 2005 the Navi on the TSX was $2k vs. paying $800 for an after-market. I thought it was worth it for the looks, size and interface. In hindsight not worring about getting broken into for the portable ones was an added bonus. For 2009, the price for Navi is the same (Acura) but a good portable is down to $200-400. After 4-5 years auto manufacturers have not bothered to reduce prices. I'm sure it's high margin.
#567 of 1296 It's the currency, stupid
Oct 19, 2009 (1:11 pm)
Most of you might remember when the first Bush lost the re-election mostly beacuse the tag line "it's the economy, stupid!" was so true.
Anyhow, to answer so many questions/remarks about reduced features and cheaper finish on this and many other blogs, the answer (mostly anyhow) is the falling US$ as a currency vs. other mayor countries. The Japanese yen appreciated 30% since late 2001. This means J auto makers make little money from selling cars to americans due to our horrible currency. The euro is up over 65%.
Competition is tough and raising prices much is not an option, thus the cost cutting moves (eg. non folding side mirrors)
Anyways, not trying to insult anybody with the headline but sometimes the obvious escapes us, especially U.S. centric mentality
#568 of 1296 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rkrat]
Oct 19, 2009 (1:20 pm)
The bigger the wheel, the more jarring the ride (all other things being equal). I noticed a dramatic improvement in the ride quality between the stock 17" wheels and the 16" wheels (stock from a 2007 Forester) I put on my Forester recently. Granted, some difference could be the tires, too, as they are different brands, etc., but that extra 1/2" of rubber between the rim and the ground absorbs a lot of vibration.
#569 of 1296 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [rsholland]
Oct 19, 2009 (1:44 pm)
I think almost every new car I test drove was nice - compared to my 1998 Dodge Grand Caravan mommy-mobile that on a good day gets 15MPG around town, 18MPG highway with no acceleration to speak of. ( I am from NYC, my husband taught me how to drive when we were still young and he was a NY cabbie and I have a lead foot.) We were also stationed in Germany for four years so we got used to the autobahn speeds - or lack thereof.
I am hoping that with my new Outback and the MPG gauge right in front of me, I will learn how to be a better, calmer driver - except for the people in the DC area who don't know how to drive - except drive me crazy by going the speed limit in the left lane!
Some of the Outback consumer reviews complained about having the MPG gauge instead of a temperature gauge, but I think I will find it helpful. I am looking forward to computing my MPG after my first fill-up.
#570 of 1296 Re: Outback wins MT's SUV-of-the-Year award [xwesx]
Oct 19, 2009 (1:48 pm)
I didn't know any of that stuff when I was test driving. I just thought all new cars would have a smooth, quiet ride with all the improvements and technology since 1998 when my van was still new. Actually, my beat-up old van had a better ride than the Venza.
#571 of 1296 Re: Can the 2010 Outback tow? [eps105]
Oct 19, 2009 (1:56 pm)
Elliot, couldn't agree with you more about reading and researching before posting.
CARS101.com (I found it by accident by typing Subaru Research) was the site I relied on most for my research, specs, options and comparisons to similar vehicles before deciding on the 2010 Outback Limited.