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Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Subaru Forester, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, Sedan, Wagon
#406 of 1296 Re: The end of Subaru station wagons? [ateixeira]
Sep 11, 2009 (6:34 am)
I agree. If I'd known that Subaru was going to be coming out with the Legacy GT in 2005, I'd've waited a couple years instead of buying my 2003 on this very date in 2002. Nonetheless, when I think about replacing my '03, I realize how much more I like it when compared to the models available now. Maybe it was all those childhood years in Kingswood Estates and Town & Country's, but the design of wagons just makes sense to me. Oh well, the heightened chassis of the newer models will probably make it easier for aging knees getting it & out.
#407 of 1296 No folding mirror on the ...
Sep 11, 2009 (12:58 pm)
Toyota Camry Hybrid.
My old college roommate just bought one, it was very nice inside, like it in many ways, but I was surprised that it didn't have folding mirrors either.
Not sure about regular Camrys.
#408 of 1296 Re: No folding mirror on the ... [ateixeira]
Sep 11, 2009 (6:33 pm)
Regular Camry's don't either. When I found out at the New York Auto Show that the new Outback didn't have folding mirrors, I was cognizant of this decontenting while looking at other cars at the show and was shocked to find that much of the competition don't have folding mirrors either... Camry, Mazda 6, Altima IIRC, and many more.
I haven't corroborated my theory very far, but my working theory is that decision is based on whether the cars are domestically produced in North America, which don't need the folding mirrors to squeeze closer together on the freighters from Japan. That's why the Forester and Mazda 3 do have folding mirrors.
Anyone care to dig deeper into this to see if my theory holds up with most other mid-size non-luxury family cars?
#410 of 1296 Re: Subaru Monkey Business... [samiam_68]
Sep 12, 2009 (12:04 am)
That is funny, and the quote by VonTesmar at the end of the article is absolutely correct.
#411 of 1296 Re: No folding mirror on the ... [eps105]
Sep 12, 2009 (3:01 pm)
Americans have never really cared much about folding mirrors, so why spend the money on them? I like them on my F150, because my garage is so small, but I never fold them on my VW or Suzuki (though I like the idea of having them). I guess the manufacturers research this stuff and determine where cost savings are unlikely to cost many sales.
#412 of 1296 Re: No folding mirror on the ... [gregg_vw]
Sep 12, 2009 (4:25 pm)
Folding mirror, after folded, can avoid the passing cars accidentally scratch your driver side mirror in narrow road
I experienced this once and had to make a run to junk yard to get the mirror and housing replaced or I cannot pass the yearly inspection.
#413 of 1296 Re: No folding mirror on the ... [bigdadi118]
Sep 14, 2009 (4:41 am)
Again, my point being that unlike Europe and Asia, few Americans drive on roads so narrow that they have to worry about folding mirrors in to avoid hitting something with one. I like the feature myself, as I like stability control. Even though I may never use it, it is nice to know it is there.
#414 of 1296 Re: No folding mirror on the ... [gregg_vw]
Sep 14, 2009 (5:10 am)
"...few Americans drive on roads so narrow that they have to worry about folding mirrors"
gregg_vw: Is this your opinion or are you trying to pass this off as fact? Where is the data to support that few Americans care about folding mirrors?
When I first saw the new Outback at the NY Auto Show in April, I was so disenchanted with the lack of folding mirrors that I almost considered it a deal breaker. As I walked down the streets of NY City after the show, I was cognizant of all the cars that were parked along the busy streets that had their mirrors folded. I would say that 75% of the cars were parked with their mirrors folded. And the ones that didn't were either clunkers, had fixed mirrors, or the mirrors were already broken off!
Additionally, I live in the suburbs and have a decent sized two-car garage. But I have lots of stuff stored in the back, like my mountain bikes. It is a regular practice of mine to fold the mirrors so that I can squeeze past my Forester while carrying my bike over my head.
In the end, I decided it wasn't a deal breaker and I bought an Outback, but now I have to begrudgingly get used to not having that very useful feature.
I recognize that Subaru deleted them as a cost savings measure to be competitive with all the other mid-size cars that don't have folding mirrors, but I hope they consider the lash-back from loyal customers and re-add them in the mid-cycle refresh.
#415 of 1296 Re: No folding mirror on the ... [eps105]
Sep 14, 2009 (8:23 am)
Excuse me, Elliot, it is first of all obviously my opinion. Secondly, it is hardly important, and neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg if I am wrong. If you live in NYC, as in Europe, obviously you are going to care more about these things. But parking and driving there is a great deal different from much of the great expanse west of NYC. Big Subaru market areas include places like Vermont and Colorado and Wisconsin. That was my point, and I was merely wondering if the marketing geniuses at Subaru had taken a look and decided that on the whole, they could save a couple bucks on the mirrors, while still increasing sales (and profits)--even while alienating some potential customers. I don't really know. Lighten up there.