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Re: other CVT's [fendertweed] by saedave
Jul 06, 2009 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: fendertweed (Jul 06, 2009 7:08 am)

a lot of problems with the Audi CVTs
 
That's what I found with web searches, but it is possible that those CVTs were earlier ones with the 5 plate rather than the 7 plate clutch which was in later models. Who has up-to-date information?
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Re: other CVT's [saedave] by 204meca
Jul 06, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: saedave (Jul 06, 2009 7:37 am)

I am all ears to hear more about CVT problems. Apparently my great - but limited - experience with two CVTs (relativley low mileage ones at that) may not be universal. Can someone illuminate us regarding the pluses & minuses of 5 plate clutches CVTs vs 7 plate clutches CVTs & which one the OB has? This is such a great place to share & learn -- thanks!
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Q. on child-seat LATCH system for 2010 Outback by seabrook7039
Jul 06, 2009 (2:47 pm)
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One issue my wife and I have with the 2009 Outback is the lack of a center overhead LATCH hook. As a result you can't mount a child seat in the center, the generally preferred location. With the 2010 Ouback being wider can child seats now be center mounted using the LATCH system?
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Re: Drove a 2.5 GT Limited today [rsholland] by ecotrklvr
Jul 06, 2009 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jul 06, 2009 4:57 am)

Hey Bob. Thanks for the post - your are always informative. I had just gotten home from a grueling 450 mile drive late Sunday night when I read it. It was well after 1:00am when I was trying to wind down from the drive that I wrote my reply. My apologies. Of course, I get it now. You wrote "It's interesting that the gear readout does not show when the clutch is pushed in." It read as if you'd complained about the lack of the light showing the condition called "when the clutch is pushed in". (my eight-grade English teacher would have red-inked that one and suggested the word "while" for "when". But that was 1967, as was taught by the Urasuline Order in NE Ohio)
 
For the record, is top gear to the right and up, or down? How long were the throws? I too find the center-armrest-to-shifter arrangement can make or break the pleasure of a particular vehicle's driving. I loved my '99 Pathfinder for that, and the fact that resting my hand on the shifter knob while in 5th put the radio controls a finger-length away.
 
For the record, I've owned over 35 cars & trucks, more than half of them were stick-shift, and none of them had a light to tell me what gear I'm in. Not sure I'd use it if I had it. I always put the shifter in neutral and then let out the clutch while at stoplights of any appreciable length, anyway. Force of habit, I suppose, having replaced a few throwout bearings in my time.
 
Keep the posts coming, Bob. Let us know if you spring for the Legacy GT.
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Re: Drove a 2.5 GT Limited today [ecotrklvr] by rsholland
Jul 07, 2009 (4:14 am)
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Replying to: ecotrklvr (Jul 06, 2009 6:33 pm)

Top gear is down, below 5th. The throws were reasonable. Subaru does offer the short-throw shifter for the Legacy, if you're interested.
 
I can't tell you how many times and how many miles I've driven in 4th, thinking I'm in 5th; or in 3rd thinking I'm in 4th, with my new WRX. This is a result of a quiet cabin and smooth engine, and is even more of a problem when you're dealing with six closely spaced gears.
 
Never had this problem with older less refined cars with fewer gears, but I now very much welcome this gear indicator. I believe the new Nissan 370Z also has this feature, and I suspect it will become commonplace in the future as it will encourage you to drive more efficiently (less revs = better gas mileage).
 
Unfortunately a new car is not in my current budget.
 
Bob
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Re: other CVT's [saedave] by fendertweed
Jul 07, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: saedave (Jul 06, 2009 7:37 am)

that I don't know ... the problems I heard about related to the TCU (trans. control unit) not the clutches per se, but who knows if they might be related?
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Anyone seen a 2010 Outback with a 6-speed? by seabrook7039
Jul 07, 2009 (6:41 am)
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Seems like the first round are only equiped with CVTs...
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Re: Anyone seen a 2010 Outback with a 6-speed? [seabrook7039] by rsholland
Jul 07, 2009 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: seabrook7039 (Jul 07, 2009 6:41 am)

I haven't seen any yet. Subaru is really pushing this new CVT, so I expect very few 6-speed to be found, either on the Outback or Legacy. When the traditional advantage of a manual disappears—better gas mileage than an automatic, which is the case here—the only reason to buy a manual gearbox is that you prefer to shift gears for yourself.
 
Bob
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Re: Anyone seen a 2010 Outback with a 6-speed? [rsholland] by seabrook7039
Jul 07, 2009 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jul 07, 2009 9:03 am)

The only advantage? How about the reliability of a multi-decade proven technology vs. a brand-new technology? The question of which offers superior 0-60 acceleration has not been settled but I'm guessing the manual will win out. Plus it seems that if a CVT does fails then it's 'repaired' by a full replacement while if a clutch on a manual goes then you're out for fraction of the cost of a CVT. And lets not forget that old but still true option: if your battery can't spin the starter you can still roll-start a manual stick car. The fuel savings of the CVT is commendable but since the manual is cheaper to acquire it could take a couple of years of ownership depending on your borrowing costs before the CVT actually saves you money.
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Re: Anyone seen a 2010 Outback with a 6-speed? [seabrook7039] by saedave
Jul 07, 2009 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: seabrook7039 (Jul 07, 2009 9:55 am)

The fuel savings of the CVT is commendable but since the manual is cheaper to acquire it could take a couple of years of ownership depending on your borrowing costs before the CVT actually saves you money.
 
Or never, if real world...not EPA... fuel economy turns out to be at least as good. Use Consumer Reports' mpg numbers when they become available to decide.

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