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#127 of 433 Re: Buyers began taking delivery of the 2010's yesterday [rogue9]
Jun 14, 2009 (5:04 pm)
"My wife works for a southern california toyota dealership and had mentioned the other day, the first case of a customer having to pay out of pocket for a replacement battery for a 2001 prius. The cost of the battery was 5 thousand dollars. ..."
Oh man, too bad:
The NHW11 model Prius, 2001-03, had the first generation prismatic battery that is not as strong as the NHW20, 2004-09 and ZVW30, 2010 battery:
Many of us think the best answer for the NHW11 is to rebuild the traction battery by using the more modern, NHW20 modules.
Regardless, one could pick up a worn out Prius with a bad battery and for an additional $3,000 and your own labor or pay Toyota and get a car that easily achieves 45-50 MPG. But of course, some drivers"> may prefer to pay at the pump.
#128 of 433 Re: Buyers began taking delivery of the 2010's yesterday [wvgasguy]
Jun 14, 2009 (9:52 pm)
She is in finance dept. not parts or service so it is quite possible that the figure included some sort of disposal fee, installation fee, and any other fee they could think of. Nonetheless doesn't sound cost effective for a 8 year old car.
The current batteries are covered for 10 years and or 150k miles but not too sure if the 01 model had the same coverage.
#129 of 433 Re: Buyers began taking delivery of the 2010's yesterday [rogue9]
Jun 15, 2009 (11:14 am)
Sorry there's somthing fishy in that story. The full retail MSRP of a new replacement battery for a 2001 Prius is $2288!!! ... not $5000. Labor is extra but not $2300 extra.
Yes the smart thing to do is go to the body shop of any large Toyota store and look for a Prius of that Generation that has been totalled with front end damage and try to buy the battery from the insurance company that's paying off the claim.
Batteries ARE NOT $5000!!!
#130 of 433 Do You Suppose?
Jun 24, 2009 (6:33 am)
There is so much written about new battery technology, and the fact that Toyota stayed with the older, proven technology. Do you suppose that at sometime in the future, the current battery can be replaced(upgraded) with a newer, high-tech battery? Maybe it is an invalid cormarison, but (as long as it fits) a driver has a tremendous number of options in which 12 v battery to uses. Granted, a newer battery would need to have all the correct mounts and connections ..... my question pertains more to the electronic issue of a later swap.
#131 of 433 Re: Do You Suppose? [felt]
Jun 24, 2009 (6:50 am)
Allegedly the Li-Ion batteries were supposed to have been put into this new Gen3 Prius replacing the NiMH batteries. However a couple of years ago when it was discovered that the Li-Ions were not ready for prime time and may not be ready for full scale usage before 2011 the NiMHs were kept for the Gen3.
One of many benefits of the NiMHs is their very low cost and unquestioned durability. In the auto business these two characteristics alone are enough to keep them around for a long long time. My own guess is that the NiMHs stay for at least another 10+ years as the 'base' technology for vehicles only getting 45-55 mpg.
When new battery technology arrives it will be blended into the mix but as a 'premium' offering with better capabilities .... at a premium price.
IMO we will soon see $15000 - $28000 'traditional' hybrids using NiMH technology and $30000+ hybrids using Li-Ion technology.
#132 of 433 Re: Do You Suppose? [kdhspyder]
Jun 26, 2009 (6:08 pm)
I've also heard that Toyota lowered the cost of the battery packs considerably. I am pretty certain I read that the MSRP for the 2004-2009 battery pack is $2200.00 As time goes on, I would expect that cost to even lower. If you look at eBay there is almost always a few people selling salvage battery packs from Prius'.
#133 of 433 Toyota Import Station
Jun 27, 2009 (3:41 pm)
I have a web site to monitor arriving ships. Does anyone know which sea port Toyota uses for west coast imports? .... specifically Utah.
I assume the vessels are special built Toyota ships. Does anyone know the names of the craft in Toyota's fleet?
#134 of 433 Starter Issues
Jun 27, 2009 (3:51 pm)
I am a soon to be Prius owner. I have seen no thread that identifies a potential problem ......that I have wondered about: With the excessive starting and stopping of the ICE ..... isn't there an abnormal amount of use (wear and tear) of the starter? It would seem that the starter, solonoid and gears would need to of exceptional quality to withstand the constant use. Any experiences with these components?
#135 of 433 Re: Starter Issues [felt]
Jun 27, 2009 (3:59 pm)
The Prius is designed for frequent start/stops. It does not have a typical "starter" or gears.
#136 of 433 Re: Starter Issues [felt]
Jun 27, 2009 (7:03 pm)
What you're asking relates to conventional thinking and cars of the past The Hybrid Prius is unlike that thinking and design. With over 100K miles I am a believer in this car and it's high-tech design. It simply works like no other. This is a big part of the future of automobiles.