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Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CR-V

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#9 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [jrcola] by aatherton

Oct 23, 2009 (11:59 am)

Replying to: jrcola (Feb 05, 2009 10:34 pm)
The head gasket problems were common from 1999-2003 but not since.
The 2009 XT problem was not piston rings, but disintegration of copper con rod bearing shell, and those engines have been replaced:
 
"... FHI have identified the problem as abnormal wear on con rod big end bearings..."
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f88/subaru-issues-turbo-stop-sale-certai- n-08-09-models-31757/index5.html#post372840
 
"... Turbo Engine Stop Sale checking Procedure.
Engine Screening Procedure Two... A) If there are copper particles larger that 1 mm in the material residue, the engine is damaged.... It may be necessary to clean the particles to determine if they are copper. Copper is reddish in color..."
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f88/subaru-issues-turbo-stop-sale-certai- n-08-09-models-31757/index10.html#post381869dels
 
The Forester has the same drivetrain as the Outback, which has been selected as SUV of the year:
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0912_2010_suv_of_the_year_winner/ind- ex.html
 
The Tiguan seems out of the Forester's class, more like an Acura RDX. More upscale, luxurious, refined, and expensive. Less practical, less capacity and tow rating, worse mileage on premium fuel only, and probably less reliable.

#10 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [aatherton] by motoguy128

Oct 23, 2009 (1:17 pm)

Replying to: aatherton (Oct 23, 2009 11:59 am)
The Tiguan seems out of the Forester's class, more like an Acura RDX. More upscale, luxurious, refined, and expensive. Less practical, less capacity and tow rating, worse mileage on premium fuel only, and probably less reliable.
 
have you sat in a Tiguan? You must have missed the part about the chassis and interior components being the same as a Golf or Jetta. That's like saying the RDX is based on a Honda Civic. It's not, more like a TSX. The CR-V however is.
 
It might be closer to the RDX in terms of performance. But's it would be more comparable to a Honda CR-V with the RDX engine. Basically with a Tiguan, you're paying a lot for the 2.0T motor, but not getting all the bells and whistles, apce and quality you expect frm a car with that drivetrain.
 
The Tiguan would be more comparable to the other compact SUV's in it's class if it had the 5 cylinder engine out of the Jetta. The 2.0T places it in a strange class of it's own, somewhat like the V6 RAV 4.

#11 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [motoguy128] by blueiedgod

Oct 26, 2009 (10:03 am)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Oct 23, 2009 1:17 pm)
That's like saying the RDX is based on a Honda Civic. It's not, more like a TSX. The CR-V however is.
 
I hate to break it to you, but RDX is based on the Civic. No matter what the first impression may be, it is just a CR-V in better clothes.
 
There are no other vehicle in the US that is based on the TSX, which is the global Accord platform. The US Accord is different and is sold as Inspire elsewhere.
 
Both Tiguan and CR-V/RDX are lifted compacts underneath.

#12 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [blueiedgod] by carlitos7

Oct 26, 2009 (12:22 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Oct 20, 2009 10:07 am)
nop Honda was not the first to have ABS
http://wikicars.org/en/Anti-Lock_Brakes_(ABS)
and surely was not the first to use :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_stability_control
and still does NOT have ESP as standard while VW does !
 
i dont know who told you that but have clearly been scammed into buying a Honda...
 
Tiguan has a Turbocharged 4 Cyl, economic and yet powerful enough to drive it forward while CRV is lamely slow.
Tiguan has enough torque while CRV has to make engine noise even in an alley
Tiguan has a panoramic power roof and power shade while CR-V doesnt
Tiguan has a Tiptronic 6 speed while the CRV doesnt
Tiguan has decent leather inside while CRV has cheap interior
Tiguan has Heated external mirrors while CRV doesnt
Tiguan has Multy adjustable memory front seats while CRV doesnt
Tiguan has perimiter Lighting while...
Tiguan has an auto dimming rear view mirror ...
 
so who's gotta do catch up now? Honda will now play the waiting card, when those technologies are 5 years old and cheap enough for them, they will then introduce them as standard and claim super reliability. thats actually the same definition as a : "Scam"
 
as for :
"As to this "marvelous automatic"... what man drives automatic? "
 
yes some men find the need to keep their hands on the stick, maybe that gives them the feeling of being "Big", as for me, i know i am and do not feel the need to prove it, and who knows maybe im a woman?
 
so besides the sexist bitter flavor of you comment, it fails to deliver any comedic value.

#13 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [carlitos7] by blueiedgod

Oct 27, 2009 (10:30 am)

Replying to: carlitos7 (Oct 26, 2009 12:22 pm)
I never said Honda was first to have ABS, I said it was first to have it as standard equipment across the model lines. ABS has been around for many, many years, but most often it was reserved for the higher trims, or as optional equipment. There is a difference between offering it to people at extra charge, or just including it on everything. (WRONG!!!! Try again!)
 
ESP is VSA/VSC in Honda talk, kind of like Pohtatoe Potahtoe debate...Honda CR-V has been offered with VSA/VSC as standard equipment across the model line since 2005. (WRONG!!! Try again!)
 
Honda CR-V has been offered with heated outside mirrors since 2005 on the SE model in the US. (WRONG!!!! Try again!)
 
Auto dimming mirror has been optional for quite a few years now.
 
I could spend all day proving your wrong, but...
 
Tiguan has a Turbocharged 4 Cyl, economic and yet powerful enough to drive it forward while CRV is lamely slow.
Tiguan has enough torque while CRV has to make engine noise even in an alley

 
I think you answered your own attempt at comedy, see bolded edit of your original statement.
 
yes some men find the need to have the high horsepower, maybe that gives them the feeling of being "Big", as for me, i know i am and do not feel the need to prove it, and who knows maybe im a woman?

#14 of 115 forester vs crv by thundercracker

Oct 27, 2009 (1:16 pm)

just helped my sis buy a crv. The VW although very nice inside, was never a consideration, since VW's and their scheduled services costs scared my sister straight off the bat.
She liked the forester (non-turbo) because it rode a bit higher, and the visibility was a touch better, and i think the AWD drive system is better (i.e. always awd, vs. honda's realtime, kicks-in when you need it 4wd). also thought the perforated leather of the forester was much nicer than the honda leather.
 
She ended up getting the CRV because of several factors:
- she keeps her cars a long time - she traded her 98 civic w/ 60k miles on it and got $4000 from the dealer, so in 10 yrs, i think the crv would have better resale than the forester
- she knows and trusts honda, even though our siblings have 2 subarus that have been just as reliable as the civic.
- convenience - there are 3 honda dealerships on the way into work for her, so dropping the car off would be a snap, vs. the closest subie dealer to her is only 7 miles away, but in the opposite direction of her work.
 
these forums are great.

#15 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [blueiedgod] by carlitos7

Oct 28, 2009 (12:08 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Oct 27, 2009 10:30 am)
i can keep repeating the same thing over and over again, avoiding questions will not prove your point.
 
Tiguan has a state of the art 4 Cyl 200hp turbocharged engine while CRV does not !
Tiguan has a state of the art tiptronic 6 speed transmission, CRV does not
...
 
and the "horse power comment" is kind of lame, it was funny the first time though...
 
but i think you are just making up stuff now to cover your pointless arguments, nobody talked about "HIGH horse power". Tiguan has ENOUGH horse power to drive it forward with a decent torque while CRV suffers from a severe lack of power, thats a conclusion that anyone who drove both cars can easily draw, and that has nothing to do with gender by the way.
the 09/10 crv is but an illusion of an SUV, made for an audience who cant afford a real SUV, so honda is giving them a car that looks like an SUV but acts like a cheap econo bottom of the line car, with cheap interior and accessories, a weak engine coupled with a large mini van like body...

#16 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs. Forester vs. CV-R [carlitos7] by blueiedgod

Oct 29, 2009 (10:23 am)

Replying to: carlitos7 (Oct 28, 2009 12:08 pm)
Ha ha ha, Tiguan is no different that CR-V. It is the same overblown Compact 5 door hatchback made to look like an SUV. It is just VW is about 13 years too late to the game, First Honda CR-V was launched in 1995 as a 1996 model in Japan. VW was no where near having or even thinking of having a small cross over SUV.
 
At least CR-V's go off road, and people have proven their off-road capability. In fact, at the last Oshawa meet, a 1998 CR-V, the "severely" underpowered 127 hp CR-V, pulled a Jeep Wranger out of a mud hole.
 
I have yet to see a Tiguan or Toureg join any of the off-roading events, even though I see plenty of them on the road. Maybe it is the VW buyer who just likes to pretend something they are not? Dare I say poseur?
 
As to the "state of the art engine" you just have no clue, do you? Honda has been making race car engines for years. Until recently, Honda was suplying engines to McLarren, and still dominates Indi race circuits. Their racing technology is used in street going vehicles within few years. When was the last time you saw a VW powered race car win any competition, or even participate in it?
 
Honda developed the stratified fuel charge which allows Honda engines to achieve air to fuel ratio higher than normally required for stoiochemical burn. It was fist used on Honda CVCC in 1972, which later became the Civic. The CVCC technology allowed Honda vehicles to surpass the 40 mpg fuel economy without the use of hybrid techonology in the 80's.
 
The development of 12 valve and then 16 valve engines in the late 70's coupled with CVCC yielded higher horsepower per liter of displacement engines that competition.
 
I know, I had an '85 Civic that went 250,000 miles before I sold it (it has over 400,000 miles now, still driven daily). It was reguraly getting 40-45 mpg.
 
The 1991 Jetta, on the other hand, failed to break the 120,000 miles. It required 3 water pumps, 2 power steering pumps, all of the Bosch Jetronic Fuel injection sensors to be replaced. This was a simple 8 valve engine with a cast iron block, same design since the inception of the internal combustion engines.
 
Honda perfected the Valve timing and adjustable lift engine techonology in 1991, and put it on 2 cars. One at the top of the Honda line up, Acura NSX, and the other at the bottom, in a Honda Civic VX. Which made their engines have dual personality. High fuel efficincy, stability at low RPM's, and high revving high horsepower at the other end of the spectrum, all combined in one engine, and a reliable system.
 
The Tiptronic in the Tugian is not the DSG that is offered in the GTI and Audi. It is just a fancy word for a slush box for poseur boy racer who can't manage to work with 3 pedals. You want fancy, drive stick. No computer can bean the manual's prescision and reliability. No automatic can predict the driver's intentions and select the porper gear in ADAVANCE. All they do is react to what has happened. Even DSG are REACTIVE systems, not ACTIVE!
 
I guess to some a fancy word and flashing lights mean state of the art, and to some, like me, the undelying techonolgy that reliably works and provides real world proof are the state of the art.
 
Enjoy your flashing lights.

#17 of 115 Tiguan vs CR-V by godeacs

Oct 29, 2009 (4:06 pm)

I love it when people come on here and spout erroneous information! Duh, to say the CR-V is "an illusion of an SUV", etc takes the cake, Tiguan has "state of the art" engine/transmission, etc.....is that why VW's maint costs are so high and their products unreliable compared to Honda??.....
 
That is soo rich.......
 
Winner by TKO: blueiedgod!......

#18 of 115 Re: Tiguan vs CR-V [godeacs] by blueiedgod

Oct 30, 2009 (10:05 am)

Replying to: godeacs (Oct 29, 2009 4:06 pm)
I love it when people come on here and spout erroneous information! Duh, to say the CR-V is "an illusion of an SUV", etc takes the cake, Tiguan has "state of the art" engine/transmission, etc.....is that why VW's maint costs are so high and their products unreliable compared to Honda??.....
  
That is soo rich.......
  
Winner by TKO: blueiedgod!......
 
Thanks.
 
My post above yours has a statment that is not 100% true, which I did on purpose.
 
Carlitos seems to be an automotive expert by categorically declaring what state of the art is, and what defines automotive superiority. This is a test, if he responds back with rebuttle of the flawed statement I made, I may believe in his ability to judje vehicular content, otherwise.... he should just go back under the bridge.

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