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Honda CR-V, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, Engine, SUV
#2 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ruturajp]
Feb 04, 2009 (9:42 am)
I believe 2001 Accord has 2.3 liter not 2.4, and it is not the same engine. K-series engines were first introduced on Acura RSX, Civic Si, and Accord in 2002-2003.
The 2001 Accord with 2.3L and manual trans will run circles around many V6 powered vehicles.
I have a 2005 CR-V with a similar 2.4 L engine (K24A1) as the current Gen of CR-V. Mine is stick, and if I am not careful with the throttle I chirp tires from start, as well as on 1-2 shifts. It goes from 0-60 in 8.2 seconds, and can outrun most V6 powered SUV's out there.
If you want the most power at the wheels with the least internal losses, go for a manual vehicle. Especially a Honda. Honda manuals are some of the slickest manuals, and have minimal power losses.
Honda engines are deisgned for high revs. Anyone who does not do that (mostly automatic drivers) are basically not using all of the potential of the engine. Honda engines are born out of F1 research and development, and the engines in F1 vehicles rev at 19,000+ RPM all day long.
Test drive the vehicle you are interested in and make your own conclusion.
#3 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [blueiedgod]
Feb 04, 2009 (10:09 am)
Yes, its 2.3L engine.
How about 2009, i mean.... 2009 Accord and 2009 CRV have same engine or different?
If different, in what way. Not sure, which is more powerful. Looks like its Accord
This is what i see on Honda's website
Displacement (cc) 2354
Horsepower rpm (SAE net) 177 6500
Torque (lb-ft rpm) 161 4300
Compression Ratio 10.5 : 1
Displacement (cc) 2354
Horsepower rpm (SAE net) 166 5800
Torque (lb-ft rpm) 161 4200
Compression Ratio 9.7:1
Basically, i am trying to figure out if addition vehicle weight of CR-V compared to Accord can still do its job
Btw, as per honda's website i dont think CRV is available in manual transmmission
#4 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ruturajp]
Feb 05, 2009 (10:04 am)
The current Accord and CR-V use the same engine block, but different heads, if I remember correctly. Previous generaton of CR-V's and Accords used K24A1 and K24A3 (A5?) accordingly. I believe the Element still uses K24A3.
If you look at the ratings you posted, Accord gets most of its power almost 1000 rpm higher than CR-V. Both list torque the same around the same revs.
Based on the numbers you posted, CR-V's engine is more livable in everyday situations, when you are not bounsing off the rev limiter on every shift (you will going 85 mph at redline in 3rd in CR-V). But, at the same time, one can shift into 5th at 35 mph and not stall out the engine. There was a post with torque curves, and I believe CR-V achieves 90% of its max torque around 2500 RPM.
Also, Accord engine comes in 2 flavors if I remember correctly. The LX does not have as much power as the EX. It is close in power to its sister, Acura TSX.
The lack of manual is what is making me keep the 05 longer. Elements are still available with sitck.
#5 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ruturajp]
Feb 06, 2009 (8:20 am)
Enough power for what? For some people, nothing less than 8-cylinders of Detroit iron is enough.
I find my '07 CR-V geared a little lower than I'd prefer. In around town driving, it accelerates quicker than I, or others who have driven it, expect. Even with an automatic it's not hard to chirp the tires. But, while the power when passing at hwy speeds is adequate, it lacks the reserve power I'd like (but, admittedly, seldom need).
I've also owned an Accord. From a performance standpoint, the Accord's engine is better matched to the car than is the CR-V's. If I sound disappointed, I'm not. I was looking for a comfortable vehicle with the practicality of a small SUV. If I was looking for a similar-sized SUV with power, I'd have probably bought a 6-cyl RAV4.
#6 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [lzc]
Feb 06, 2009 (12:48 pm)
Thats a good point LZC. How much is enough power?
I dont need towing. I drive soft.
In my 2001 Accord, i hardly cross 3k rpm and still drive
decently with 4 adults on city roads/highways/merges.
Assuming Accord's engine (almost)= CRV's engine
Accord body weight (3100lb) <> CRV's 3500lb
So, i was concerned on the power. Will i be reving the engine
too often? or feeling slowed down over weight
I have been pulling my hair over CRV (2.3L) v/s RAV4 (v6).
CRV looks nicer. RAV4 is not, but has more practical features (3rd row seat, power, 4wd drive lock)
Overall, I think its coming down to 'how OFTEN we need extra power'
Test drives, dont help much as much as your valuables experiences on driving
over different terrain, load and speeds.
#7 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ruturajp]
Feb 06, 2009 (3:35 pm)
I've never felt the CR-V didn't have adequate power. It just doesn't have that extra power than many of us have come to expect and want.
While I would buy the CR-V all over again, one shouldn't confuse it with a high-end SUV. The wheelbase is short, which can produce a bouncy ride on rough roads at freeway speeds (and Calif has a bunch). It's high SUV profile and (semi) off-road tires generate more noise than one typically gets from a passenger car when, again, driving at freeway speeds. Last, I opted for leather upholstery. It, like the floor carpets that will show wear in about a week, doesn't look like it's going to last as long as the car.
Egads, this all sounds pretty negative. I don't mean to be. I don't expect perfection from a car in the CR-V's price range. Honda has delivered a well-designed, practical, and reliable car that has exceeded my expectations in most areas. My overall gas mileage is 26+ mpg. Good luck.
#8 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [lzc]
Feb 07, 2009 (7:46 am)
You meant the leather seats show wear?
I was thinking of EX-L (for leather seats). If i dont go for leather, i am OK with LX too.
#9 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ruturajp]
Feb 18, 2009 (12:57 pm)
I bought an 09 EX-L before Thanksgiving, primarily for a family trip where we did not want to take the 05 Corolla. We really like the CRV and I have not noticed a lack of power for any of my driving. Around town, interstate, highways...all seems fine. True that the 4 cyl does not have the fear for your life grip of the 5.3 V8 that I had in my avalanche, but then the CRV gets about twice the mileage.
As for the leather, I was foolish and got the cream interior even though I knew better. The seats already show dirt after only 6000 miles, which looks like wear. I think that they will clean ok but won't really know until I try it. I looked at mose of the small SUVs and really liked the overall feel of the CRV.
#10 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ncskibum]
Feb 18, 2009 (1:08 pm)
Thanks for info. I know the 4cyl seems ok, but at times i think thats because its a brand new vehicle.
Regarding leather, you mean the color is the problem or the overall quality itself makes it look bad?
#11 of 39 Re: Honda CRV Enough Power? [ruturajp]
Feb 19, 2009 (8:11 am)
I am hoping that it is just the color. Still kicking myself for buying that color of interior again.