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#546 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [robr2]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 06, 2011 (11:08 am)
Well they started life in the USA as a FWD, so now they've tried everything. They even seem to have hired a styling department after all these years.
#547 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
Dec 06, 2011 (11:08 am)
That is low. Initial demand will be double that at least. This thing has been hyped up for years and some no doubt have simply saved the cash to buy one.
Allocation is a good question, I wonder over the life of the model which will be the better seller. Subaru will attract more sport minded people, but the RWD will be troublesome.
I don't find it offensive, the design doesn't wow me, but there's not a lot to complain about. It's a hell of a lot cooler than a tC anyway.
#548 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
Dec 06, 2011 (12:01 pm)
I think the Scion will outsell the Subaru roughly 2 to 1.
Toyota has more dealers, a much bigger marketing budget, plus Subaru dealers are concentrated in snowy states and this is RWD.
Tell you what, though, Florida and Texas Subaru dealers are dancing in the streets. I think we will see a bigger surge in more moderate climates.
I like the styling, but I would have been happy to see the return of affordable RWD coupes even if it had been ugly.
#549 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
Dec 06, 2011 (1:13 pm)
Good point about the dealers. And although Subie has grown closer to mainstream IMHO, it is nothing like Toyota (and maybe should never be).
Genesis coupe is affordable and RWD, and another one that although not pretty isn't offensive either.
#550 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
Dec 07, 2011 (7:50 am)
it is nothing like Toyota (and maybe should never be)
I was hoping the BRZ would get AWD, even if they did electric power to the front axle.
Or...let Toyota do HSD versions of the platform-mates, while Subaru could market diesels.
Genesis coupe is a car I thought I would like, but I hate that they used a Genesis name and didn't bring the much nicer interior from the sedan. It is such a disappointment when you sit in them side-by-side. Even if it had cost a lot more, it would have made more sense to me.
Hyundai will add some nice powertrain upgrades now but for me it's too late. It needs a new interior.
Supposedly the FT's interior is a bit nicer, plus the name doesn't promise things the interior can't deliver.
#551 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
Dec 07, 2011 (1:04 pm)
A diesel coupe...that could be something, I think the MB C123 might have been the last one in this market.
Hopefully for the Breeze, the interior won't be typical of some recent Toyotas.
#552 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
Dec 07, 2011 (1:19 pm)
Thankfully they avoided the center-mounted Scion guages. Well, xA/xB/xD anyway.
Can't stand those.
Navi is standard, oddly. HIDs and torsen LSD.
I think the Subaru engineers gave LSD to the Toyota bean counters for all that to happen.
#553 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
Dec 07, 2011 (5:03 pm)
Oh, center mounted gauges would have been a death knell, enthusiasts hate those. I wouldn't doubt if a Scion exec tried, though
I wonder if anything in the normal production Toyolex stable can even be equipped with LSD.">
#554 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
Dec 08, 2011 (7:56 am)
center mounted gauges would have been a death knell
The new Yaris did away with those.
Sales up 160.2% last month.
Safe to say you're right.
#555 of 656 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
Dec 08, 2011 (7:57 am)
More and more we're seeing e-Diffs. I was happy to see they went mechanical and even made it standard.
FWIW it's common for Subaru. Not sure on Toy/Lex to be honest. The IS-F has one, dunno about the rest. Probably e-Diff.