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#538 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
by fintail
Dec 02, 2011 (3:03 pm)
Big boats like the Challenger, V6 and V8 cars, prestige brands that cost 50% more? Nah, I don't know about that one. Maybe the prestige brands when they are about 3 years old. Miata though, I can believe, Scion tC for sure. Maybe even some sedans bought by people who want something like the Breeze but can't get it.
#540 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
by ateixeira
Dec 06, 2011 (11:14 am)
Indeed, Subaru engineered all the hard points, Toyota basically designed a body around that.
I guess we're using the term DNA differently. DNA to me are the insides, which are pure Subaru.
Toyota just did the surface.
I hear Navi may be included at the $24k price. Get ready for markups.
#541 of 610 Re: Subaru now knows... good brakes are important! [backy]
by ateixeira
Dec 06, 2011 (11:15 am)
Just when they got the Gunma factory chugging along...not good.
#542 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
by fintail
Dec 06, 2011 (11:46 am)
There will have to be severe supply limits to get away with the ADM game, however...the economy isn't quite that strong in many areas, and younger buyers often have less money than they have in a long time. This thing won't sell to many boomers.
I do like how Toyota had to hit up someone else to make a cool car. I also like the "Boxer" emblem I have seen pics of, it made me think of an "SS" symbol, and I don't mean the one on a Chevy. Funny.
#543 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [fintail]
by ateixeira
Dec 06, 2011 (11:55 am)
For the BRZ the sales forecast is unusually low, IIRC 5-7k units annually. I think that estimate is nuts.
Guess it depends on how many Toyota will get, will the US allocation be split 50/50 or what? Maybe 60/40 in favor of the one with bigger pockets?
I like the boxer emblem also, and ironically it goes on the Scion!
At least they did a good job with the overall shape and styling. The best part about it, despite a couple of iffy details, is that you can't say "that looks just like a ___".
It's inspired by the 2000GT, early Z cars, the fenders seem familiar, but it does not look like any other car on the road, and that's cool.
#544 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
by robr2
Dec 06, 2011 (11:58 am)
I guess we're using the term DNA differently. DNA to me are the insides, which are pure Subaru.
I'm so confused. If Subaru DNA includes AWD, where did the engineers hide the extra driveshafts??
Sorry, I'm just chuckling at diehard AWD Subaru fans praising love on a RWD Subaru. But I'm happy to see them accepting change.
#545 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [robr2]
by ateixeira
Dec 06, 2011 (12:05 pm)
Good one...
Toyota did add their DI, which I think is a good thing.
Early reviews are positive towards the sounds and revving nature of the FA20, not something Subarus have been known for. Actually Subaru's been the opposite way for a while now, more torquey, less revs.
#546 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [robr2]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 06, 2011 (12:08 pm)
Well they started life in the USA as a FWD, so now they've tried everything. They even seem to have hired a styling department after all these years.
#547 of 610 Re: Sarcasm on... [ateixeira]
by fintail
Dec 06, 2011 (12:08 pm)
That is low. Initial demand will be double that at least. This thing has been hyped up for years and some no doubt have simply saved the cash to buy one.
Allocation is a good question, I wonder over the life of the model which will be the better seller. Subaru will attract more sport minded people, but the RWD will be troublesome.
I don't find it offensive, the design doesn't wow me, but there's not a lot to complain about. It's a hell of a lot cooler than a tC anyway.