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#53 of 104 my impressions of 2010 Camaro
Aug 16, 2009 (3:14 pm)
I stopped by a local Chevy dealer that had a white 2010 Camaro yesterday. Indeed, the car is a looker from the outside. It brings back personal nostalgia I haven't felt in a long while. I'm sure it's different for every American but for me; thoughts of riding in the back seat of my dad's 69 Camaro..with my brother and sister on the way to uncle Mike's house, flash across my mind. Random images I instantly remember. Looking out the window as we passed cars, looking up at the cage like structure as it passed while crossing the Brooklyn bridge, there's something about the lines of that car that never loose effect. Although I was too young to ever drive one, I did watch the Duke's of Hazard (although that was a Charger) ..and I miss Daisy so much. I also had at least one hot wheel Camaro I think. I have black and white pictures of me in bell bottoms and with hair freshly combed by my mom. I remember that car and that time and think now smiling how well this new Camaro holds a part of my American experience. It's an errie breathe of fresh air. The inside looks cool too! I love its rectangular analog gauges. What a simply fun and smile evoking car inside and out, uh, cough.. I mean in a masculine kinda way of course .
Then, after some time, while contemplating seriously the prospects of owning and driving the car for every day purposes.. practical considerations invariably set in and the result.. they kind of crash the good feelings. Pretty soon, the emotional attachments I just moments before had for the car, slowly yet promptly, and I truly feel sorry about this, it's just that my joyful anticipation and excitement for the car has dwindled to a sad disappointment. I realize, I can't buy this car.
Although I admire Chevy's effort and I want them to succeed, I fear, they got it wrong on this one if they think it'll be bought on mass like the old school Camaro. I can't help but think that they should know better. I'm sure this Camaro will sell well to those who want the car for their collection; as it certainly will go down as a classic piece of art. Reality however, is that, just like 2010 Challenger and Shelby GT500, this Camaro wont be bought by most reasonable folks in the market for an affordable yet practical and fun 8cyl muscle 4 seater. And perhaps, I hope, that is what may have been intended.
The 2010 Mustang GT just makes far more sense. And I really believe, not just for macho wanna be tough guys like myself..but I believe it can and does appeal to a wide range of all kinds of people looking for a sensible car to have a bunch of fun in while getting their daily life's tasks done all in a practical way! The Camaro unfortunately, is simply too heavy and visibility poses serious issues for everyday driving. It'll be bought by those who can comfortably afford to buy it, without even test driving the car, for the pleasure of just owning it and, no doubt, the thrill of driving it. And their's nothing wrong with those types of people. It's just that not everyone can do that. Most people buy a car because they need one for everyday in addition to desiring that it be a fun car to drive.
In the next few days, I'll be buying a 2010 Mustang GT. I found its V8 rumble, ever present torque, and smooth clutch/stick engagement irresistible and I was impressed with its handling ability. I was really impressed with this new Mustang's driving experience. That's not easy to do after parking a BMW 335 moments before. Even after driving away from the dealership, in a more refined 335..I felt reassured and even more excited about buying this new Mustang GT. Compared to the 335, this new stang's performance and driving experience is on par and even superior(engine sound) in many but not all respects.
I'm also very proud and happy to say that it'll be my first American car.
#54 of 104 Re: my impressions of 2010 Camaro [jmaroun]
Aug 20, 2009 (4:06 pm)
I don't get it!
I bet you knew how much it's specs (dimensions and weight) before you went to look at it (if you did personally look at it at a dealer) because of "now after a few hours of further net research..I'm absolutely amazed and excited at how much more this car offers!" comment.
I just don't get it. If you thought it was a 'looker' and knew all (or most of its) information, how could you change your mind and complain about its weight?
I hope you do know that for its weight, the 6.2V8 gets better mileage than Dodge's Challenger and Ford's Mustang (with their V8). Also, the 3.6 V6 is rated at 29 MPG on the HWY, which is also better than the V6 on the Dodge or Ford pony cars. How can a 3.6 V6 Camaro NOT be a 'daily' driver?
Any ways, I am with you on the Ford Mustang GT. That's a great alternative for those who don't like the General.
I am still debating between the Challenger, Mustang GT and Camaro SS. Good luck.
Bruce Lee (in San Francisco - home of the import lovers).
#55 of 104 Re: my impressions of 2010 Camaro [jmaroun]
Aug 20, 2009 (5:22 pm)
Joseph, I'm sure you'll enjoy your Stang, hell, if I couldn't afford, or wait for, the V-8 SS, I might have gone out and test driven BMW's, and then gone and bought a ford mustang... Please.
Anyway, I got my SS June 5th. I had to order it. I didn't test drive it. I saw the concept car like everyone else in 2006. I tried to keep up with any info that ever got out about the car. I knew the car was a mix of existing, proven technology. I did what I had to do for three years to have the ability to purchase this car, win or lose. Luckily, someone like me can let others know that the car is pretty damn nice. I drive it thru rush hour traffic. I drive it on weekends. I drive it because it's awesome to drive, and I have other vehicles to drive. I would own mine if it was my only vehicle. I hate it for ya cause you sounded pretty jacked about it, if you drove it, you wanted it, just seems like somehow the cards didn't fall in place and now the SS just doesn't measure up....Did they allow you to drive one? Did they even have an SS on the lot? Probably not. They tell you you had to order one? Had to wait for a car? I know that sucks, but that doesn't change the car, just the $hitty way the deals are being handled. The car is worth it if you can wait and you aren't overcharged. But, as I always say, "to each, his own.."
#56 of 104 Re: Markups [mcribb]
Aug 24, 2009 (8:53 am)
"Who would be stupid enough to pay a 5000$ mark-up. I would just wait a few months. I do not believe anyone needs one that bad."
As they say "One born every minute". Or is it 'every second'?
I am waiting until the second year (2011). I got my money, but I am not in a hurry to spend it, especially at + $5,000 more.
BL (in san francisco - home of the import buyers) [lower case on purpose]
#57 of 104 Piling up on the lots
Aug 28, 2009 (12:24 pm)
Just received an email from the local dealer. Not one, not two, not three, but *six* SS models already sitting in the parking lot at MSRP.
Two weeks ago, they had only one loaded SS stickered at $36K + $12K markup. It is one of the six being listed at MSRP now.
I will still wait until 2010, sticking to the "never in the first year" lesson.
#58 of 104 Re: Anyone bought a Camero at MSRP and without pre-ordering [ck90211]
Aug 31, 2009 (5:13 pm)
Well, here in Pa, I just made a deal with a local dealership for a 2010 Camaro 1SS Transformers edition at MSRP not above minus my supplier pricing discount of 1,100 dollars. The total out the door price with trade in loss was $35,500. That is the SS model with the V8 and the upgraded packages like the Transformers, RS, and Audio package. Pretty cool price but I want to see if I can do better. I love the yellow w/black racing stripes though. Maybe you should consider buying out of state if they are marking them up in Cali.
#59 of 104 Re: New Camaros-Be Careful ----by mparis1 [yh8myss]
Aug 31, 2009 (5:18 pm)
The only thing new about this car is the design. The engine is a revamped version of the highly acclaimed LS3, while the transmission is a proven leader for chevy in the vette. Once again these parts are slightly revamped but they are built on the same basis of prior successful models. It also sits on the same chassis as the Pontiac G8 which is a very nice chassis. I wouldn't say don't buy it because it's new, when really it is just a new version of the old scene (so to speak).
#60 of 104 Disappointment, lots of it.
Sep 01, 2009 (6:26 am)
Walked into a dealership on Sunday to check the Camaros on the lot.
I was stunned by the car looks, bold, futuristic, with the large wheels, fat tires and everything.
Backward visibility was the dealer killer: anything with that kind of rearward visibility needs a back up camera or back up sensors. With 3 small kids in the house, wife was very accommodating of the idea of a 2-door coupe, but not of how easily the C-pillars could hide 4-year olds.
Otherwise, wonderful effort by GM.
#61 of 104 Re: New Camaro performs much better than it looks (in my opinion, anyway) [greeneyespsu]
Sep 06, 2009 (7:33 pm)
For your information - you are an idiot who has probably driven Jap cars since you 1st got your license. The only similarity between the 2010 (ugh) Camaro & the 1969 Camaro is the fact that they both have 4 wheels.
No matter what the "2010" is, it is not a Camaro. I think after GM took a good look at this grotesque new car "someone" said "maybe if we call it a Camaro, someone will buy it."
As the former owner of a 2002 Z28, I resent anyone referring to this hideous Russian designed vehicle as a Camaro.
When Dodge brought the Challenger back it was even better than the original. The Mustang has just gotten better, altho they did produce a few duds during the middle years.
The "2010" may be a better car ... but it's embarrassingly butt ugly!
#62 of 104 Re: New Camaro performs much better than it looks (in my opinion, anyway) [mightyfofaad]
Sep 07, 2009 (6:55 am)
I'm alittle confused about the remark you made about the 2002 Z28 you used to own. Did you think it was hideous? Did you think the 2002 z28 looked more like a Camaro should than the 2010? HMM, wonder if you put that 2002 Z28 next to my 2010 Camaro, pulled 100 people off the street, and asked them which car was embarrassingly butt ugly, your 2002 Z28 would win, hands down. I haven't liked the look of a Camaro since around 1976. Granted, not everyone likes the look of the 2010. Can't please everyone all of the time. All I know is I have NEVER had the reaction from people concerning my ride as I have because of the new 2010 Camaro. You would think I was a rock star in my BUTT UGLY Camaro. Hahaha. Don't hate, the car is HOT and you probably can't get one, so you're pissed.... Besides, the car had to be redesigned to contain all those horses and still get GREAT MPG. The '69 is and will always be classic, but we're not living in '69. So, GM says they designed the car after the '69, who cares! The car has a style of it's own and that's what selling. It's too bad the car is so ugly to you, which leads me to believe that you haven't driven one. Ugly or not, the car kicks a$$ on the road, and that's the fact, jack.............