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#845 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [gagrice] by ateixeira

Feb 21, 2013 (10:10 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Feb 20, 2013 10:19 pm)
Look how poorly the cheap EVs are doing with huge tax incentives
 
With folks like Broder telling bogus stories, that's not going to change. Most of the public won't catch the part where the NYT apologized.
 
Plus Fox News has had it out for the Volt since day one, to them it's the bail out poster child.

#846 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [ateixeira] by ateixeira

Feb 21, 2013 (10:24 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 21, 2013 10:10 am)
More on Tesla, could they be profitable already?
 
http://green.autoblog.com/2013/02/20/tesla-delivered-2-650-model-s-evs-last-year- -musk-confident-of-p/

#847 of 1161 Leaf Improvements, Price Drop by ateixeira

Feb 21, 2013 (10:39 am)

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/02/21/2013-nissan-leaf-revealed-gets-75-mile-rang- e-actually-84-in-n/
 
$20,250 to start here in MD after Fed and state incentives.

#848 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [ateixeira] by gagrice

Feb 21, 2013 (1:36 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 21, 2013 10:10 am)
Plus Fox News has had it out for the Volt since day one, to them it's the bail out poster child.
 
That is the truth. The Volt has cost US billions and with little chance of it EVER becoming mainstream at a competitive price. We cannot continue to subsidize every crazy scheme that comes along and stay strong. Good ideas have to make it on merit not government subsidies.

#849 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [gagrice] by ateixeira

Feb 21, 2013 (2:03 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Feb 21, 2013 1:36 pm)
Hybrids and diesels got incentives early on, and both of those are now mainstream. The incentives worked.
 
It will take longer for EVs, but I wouldn't dismiss them quite yet.

#850 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [ateixeira] by gagrice

Feb 21, 2013 (3:33 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 21, 2013 2:03 pm)
The incentives on the hybrids and diesels were no where close to the $7500 on the Volt, Leaf etc.

#851 of 1161 how do wheel skirts grab you? by steve_ HOST

Feb 21, 2013 (3:41 pm)

261-MPG Volkswagen XL1 To Debut at 2013 Geneva Auto Show
 

 
Yes, it's slated for production.
 
No, we won't get it.
 
1,953 pounds, 32 mile range in all electric mode. Two cylinder TDI engine.

#852 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [gagrice] by ateixeira

Feb 21, 2013 (5:38 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Feb 21, 2013 3:33 pm)
True, but you could get $750 on a TDI that was around $20k, more on some hybrids.
 
They sell now even after the incentives are gone.
 
Leaf prices dropped, they'll keep going in that direction. Right now a Leaf is cheaper than an Altima.
 
I can imagine in 5-10 years an EV being price competitive (in certain classes) without incentives.

#853 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST

Feb 22, 2013 (10:06 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 21, 2013 5:38 pm)
"Elon Musk is either a genius visionary or a complete fool. And we just paid him $110,000 to find out which.
 
But this time it's different. There are no time limits. And no scary big brother black boxes watching over us. It's our car. We paid for it. We picked it up at the Fremont factory with 50 Tesla-test-track miles on the odometer. And our plan is simple. We're going to drive the hell out of it for a year. We're going to drive it as much as possible. Where we want. When we want. And Mr. Musk can only sit back and read about it like everybody else."
 
2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test

#854 of 1161 Re: Go, Elon! [steve_] by ateixeira

Feb 22, 2013 (10:16 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Feb 22, 2013 10:06 am)
Good idea by Edmunds, kudos.

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