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Re: Is Fisker the same carmaker that recently... [nippononly] by gagrice
Oct 28, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 28, 2009 12:12 pm)

I am a BIG fan of EVs. I have priced converting my Ranger to electric. I even went and test drove the only EV ever sold in San Diego that was legal on the roads around here. Sadly the electric rates in San Diego have made them a non starter for me. When you are looking at 34 cents per KWH to charge an EV it does not make a lot of sense. Add to that the useful life & cost of the battery. Not a rosy picture as I see it. If anyone bothered to read that Fisker's article they hope to sell their sedan for $39k after the $7500 tax credit. About the same price as the Volt from Chevy. The Tesla S is a nice looking vehicle. But a base price of $50k is hardly mainstream. I would be more inclined to buy an all electric than I would a hybrid. If solar cells ever become affordable I could see possibilities. It will be for the wealthy for the near future and maybe beyond.
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See how you guys are... by iluvmysephia1
Oct 28, 2009 (9:37 pm)
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gagrice is right. Did y'all read the article? Neither of us is negatory, just being our practical selves. Having said that, I remain a fan of all-electrics and a somewhat fan of hybrids. A Kia Forte hybrid sedan remains a possibility, but they're using LP gas in it? Would that still work here in the U.S.? Need more info. there.
 
An all-electric Mitsubishi i-MiEV is supposed to ring in at around $40,000. I've even read of a $50,000 price on one. I love my '08 Lancer GTS and might be able to snag a loyalty incentive, and the BO "green car" rebate is available to knock $7,500 off of those possibility prices on the i-MiEV. I would trust Mitsu's technological prowess with an all-electric. They've been working on it a while, too.
 
But this one from BYD, the e6, has most of my all-electric car attention.
 

 
This one has a range of 249 miles, very appealing to me. The Pininfarina-Bollore BlueCar is said to have a range of only 153 miles. Interesting design on the BlueCar, though, including regenerative-drawing front solar panels on the grille and on the roof.
 
The BYD will go 99 mph and 0-60 in 8 seconds and go 249 miles. Will it really go that far on one charge? Some have expressed doubt. We will find out, of course I'm gonna wanna know if it will before I would pull the purchase trigger.
 
And yes, BYD is another manufacturer that will offer as an option the "super-fast" chargers, in one hour one can get an 80% full charge, or words to that effect. Mitsu offers same technology on their i-MiEV and I would probably spring for one of those. I'm ready to pull my all-electric in to my carport, 220 outlet ready to utilize. Recently up-sized my service for my laundry room, right off the carport.
 
For our purposes, the e6 makes sense for Willcox to Tucson funzy trips, it's 80 miles each way. But for putting around little Willcox, one charge could last me all workweek and even a good portion of my week off. I'm more than a little bit interested in an all-electric. And new charging stations are going in in Tucson, too. Nissan is building some to amp up early delight in their new Leaf. But the article noted that they would make the charging stations available to all comers with all-electric powertrains. Wonder what the fee might be.
 
Portland and SF are big heavy-hitters in this race, and Phoenix-Tucson are being drawn in to it by carmakers. And a green company or two. Lawmakers are being quite still and silent in Arizona so far on this subject. Just keeping several other hot issues going are sure to be taking all of their time up.
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West Philly Kids Beat MIT by lemko
Nov 12, 2009 (6:11 am)
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High School Kids Best MIT
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Armed Robbery and Pot ... by kernick
Nov 12, 2009 (12:36 pm)
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sure seemed to make this 2010 Prius exciting and fun ... well for a little while.
 
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2009/11/three-tenness- - ee-players-charged-with-armed-robbery/1?loc=interstitialskip
 
I wonder how comfortable the Prius was for those basketball players? Answer - more comfortable than handcuffed in the back-seat of the Crown Vic!
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Re: West Philly Kids Beat MIT [lemko] by ateixeira
Nov 13, 2009 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 12, 2009 6:11 am)

Great story. Hopefully some of those kids become automotive engineers in the future.
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Re: See how you guys are... [iluvmysephia1] by nippononly
Nov 13, 2009 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm)

Anything that is fun to drive and has a range of at least 150 miles will have my solid attention as my next possible commute car.
 
But it's got to go at least 150 miles at freeway speed.
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The BYD e6... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 14, 2009 (9:17 pm)
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should be able to accomplish 150 miles at freeway speed if they are stating that it will go 249 miles on one charge. Of all the new green cars this one is the most interesting to me.
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Oh why oh why... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 16, 2009 (9:29 pm)
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can Citroen offer their all-electric car for only $16,500USD?
 

 
The specs are strikingly simliar to the Mitsubishi i-MiEV all-electric car coming out in another year or so in the U.S. Yet I have heard that the i-MiEV will run $30,000 or more here. Huh?
 
It's not that I don't trust Mitsu's engineering and product development teams, in fact au contraire. I am thinking of just staying in the Mitsubishi family of automobiles from here on out.
 
I am going to look at BYD's e6 in a year or year and a half, and see if it even comes close to getting 249 miles on one charge. BYD will charge around $30,000 for the e6, too. But the e6 and the i-MiEV are my two favoritist all-electrics under development right now.
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Re: Oh why oh why... [iluvmysephia1] by ateixeira
Nov 17, 2009 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2009 9:29 pm)

That's easier to accept. $30k is a tough pill to swallow for a car that looks like it should cost $12 grand.
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Re: Oh why oh why... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Nov 17, 2009 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2009 9:29 pm)

I could not find anything on a Citroen EV like in your picture. I did find this less than flattering recent review.
 
20 August 2009
Test drive: ECC Citroen C1 Evie electric car
 
The rocking motion gets worse the faster we go, so it’s fortunate that acceleration runs out at 60mph.
 
The 30kW (40bhp) motor, fed by 25 lithium ion batteries, hauls the car smoothly from nought to 30mph in about eight seconds with foot flat to the floor. This doesn’t sound quick, but it’s more than fast enough for inner-city cut and thrust.
 
We keep pace with ordinary traffic during our test, which tends to involve using the car’s power to the full for much of the time. Our round trip leaves 61% in reserve, equating to a total range of about 34 miles, well short of the manufacturer’s quoted 60-mile maximum between six-hour charges. No doubt a more feather-footed driving style would extend the range dramatically, but we would definitely want to think twice or even three times before heading off to a destination more than 15 miles away.
 
Overall, we’re disappointed but impressed by the Evie, if that verdict makes sense. It is a better car than we thought from our first brief taste, but is not quite the persuasive package we had hoped for. It is a better bet than the similarly-priced G-Wiz L-ion if only because more of the speed on offer will be usable without fear of disintegration, although the much lighter G-Wiz will probably do better in real-world range.

 
http://www.greenmotor.co.uk/2009/08/test-drive-ecc-citroen-c1-evie-electric.html-

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