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#1485 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 13, 2013 (11:14 am)
I would put the Hydrogen cars in the same group as CNG & EV. Very limited market for at least another decade. Both hydrogen and CNG are fossil fueled. And most of the energy used in an EV is produced by fossil fuel. Which to me still means we should be using our fossil fuel in the most efficient manner that fits our transportation needs.
When you factor in the concerns on gas fracking, IS Natural Gas used to produce CNG, electricity or Hydrogen better overall than refining oil into gas or diesel?
#1486 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [gagrice]
Oct 17, 2013 (7:57 am)
Hydrogen is hard to extract but it's abundant. It may carry the edge over the others because of the sustainability angle. Down the road, we could use solar power to extract it, even.
That's looking (very) long term, though.
#1487 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [ateixeira]
Oct 17, 2013 (8:08 am)
Hydrogen production is mostly from Natural Gas. Most is used in refining oil and fertilizer production. I don't think producing hydrogen from water electrolysis is very efficient use of electricity.
My question would be how many miles can you drive a vehicle powered with hydrogen vs battery per KWH used. Of course we know that as expensive as Li-ion batteries are to produce, Hydrogen cells are far more expensive. Both used very expensive elements neither of which we produce in the USA.
#1488 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [gagrice]
Oct 17, 2013 (8:22 am)
In 2013, yes. I'm talking long term, though. They'll figure out ways to squeeze hydrogen out of other sources sooner or later.
Fuel tanks do have the advantage of taking whatever shape fits under the car, while hydrogen tanks need to take a certain form.
#1489 of 1543 an homage to the Prius
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 01, 2013 (3:54 pm)
"Let's go to the scorecard: 3 million Priuses sold world-wide, with half of that in the U.S.
You could have built a bridge to Tokyo with all the wood-head experts who predicted Prius battery failures would cost consumers thousands. Battery failure rates in Prius turned out to be practically nil.
The Prius became politicized along the way, a dog-whistle phrase that meant liberal, lefty. But are we talking artsy-fartsy? Because there is no more rational car on Earth than the Prius. The Prius is an utter rebuke to emotionalisms such as performance and style. Doesn't that rather speak to an owner with practical cast of mind?
...Toyota long ago exhausted its manufacturers' allotment. That hasn't seemed to slow down sales.
The enduring mystery of the Prius is how a car with quite modest driving satisfactions—in terms of acceleration, handling, cornering, ride compliance—can be such a winning automotive experience. These cars are, still, strangely fun to drive."
Toyota's Prius: Performance Is All That Matters (Wall St. Journal)
#1490 of 1543 Re: an homage to the Prius [Stever@Edmunds]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Nov 01, 2013 (5:40 pm)
it's no mystery really. The Prius represents an excellent value for the money, in MPG, utility and reliability. There is nothing dollar for dollar that can match it much less beat it, in all 3.
It's the same "mystery" as to why BMW is so successful. Nobody does it better.
#1491 of 1543 Re: an homage to the Prius [MrShift@Edmunds]
Nov 01, 2013 (5:48 pm)
Folks love to bash the Prius, and the owners in particular. Some oddballs, most just want to save gas.
I get to make the most of my hybrid's performance every day. Nothing I could do with, say, a Mustang GT.
#1492 of 1543 Hybrids sell, plug-ins not so well
Nov 01, 2013 (5:49 pm)
Chevy Volt sales down 32%, Ford C-Max down 21%.
"We are seeing sluggish sales of some plug-in hybrids such as the Ford C-Max — down 21 percent — and Chevy Volt — down 32 percent. The most likely culprit responsible for the decline is gas prices and enticing traditional gas-powered vehicles that achieve 40 mpg plus. With fuel prices expected to fall further, the auto industry will be watching carefully to see if the pattern continues,” said Edmunds.com senior analyst Michelle Krebs.
#1493 of 1543 Re: an homage to the Prius [Stever@Edmunds]
Nov 01, 2013 (5:50 pm)
"Fun" is subjective.
My friend with a C won't be buying another C. It's fine in town, a pain on the highway. Oh, and the ICE has started intermittently crapping out. The price paid for mpgs I guess.
#1494 of 1543 Re: Hybrids sell, plug-ins not so well [gagrice]
Nov 01, 2013 (5:53 pm)
Buyers recognize that plug ins and pure EVs aren't anywhere near economic, unlike hybrids. But 'trust' the government to push them down our throats through rebates. That money would be much better spent getting many more hybrids on the road.