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#1479 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [hpmctorque]
Oct 09, 2013 (6:47 pm)
They do use lithium ion batteries in the Prius line up elsewhere in the world, just not in North America.
#1480 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [scwmcan]
Oct 09, 2013 (7:06 pm)
Interesting! Do you know why there, but not here?
#1481 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [hpmctorque]
Oct 10, 2013 (5:39 am)
Not sure, but I think cost and potential liability. They can charge more for the car elsewhere, and don't have a legal system that is as litigious in those places.
#1482 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [scwmcan]
Oct 11, 2013 (7:05 am)
I was going to bring that up, too.
We get NiMH, which are pretty harmless, you could bury them with soil to make a raised bed garden and grow fruit right on top of them.
The Prius V in the US uses a bigger battery pack and loses the 3rd row option. In Europe it offers a 3rd row, allowed by the smaller Li-ion pack.
Here we have more lawyers than sense, I imagine that's Toyota's thinking.
If you think about it, though, a lead-acid battery is far more harmful than either. You have a li-ion battery in your phone, in your pocket.
You shouldn't get near a lead-acid battery without gloves and eye protection.
#1483 of 1543 crank up the Hindenburg machine
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Oct 13, 2013 (9:57 am)
"To demonstrate how far hydrogen cars have come since the early 2000s, Toyota gave test drives of a small, prototype sedan in Japan this past week. A similar vehicle with a different exterior will debut at next month’s Tokyo Motor Show. The car, which showed quick acceleration and sharp handling, will arrive in the U.S., Japan and Europe as early as next year as a 2015 model.
Toyota’s 2015 model fuel cell car will have more than 500 kilometers (311 miles) of range per fueling, according to the company, a level matched only by Tesla’s $70,000 Model S among alternative-powered vehicles. Pricing hasn’t been announced, although U.S. Toyota executives have previously said it may cost about $50,000."
Toyota shows hydrogen prototype in race toward fuel cells (Detroit News)
#1484 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [Stever@Edmunds]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 13, 2013 (10:46 am)
Looks like that future scenario for around the year 2020--of a mixed-bag of alternative fuel vehicles including ICEs, diesels, hybrids, EVs and hydrogen cars--might be the real deal.
I don't think gasoline cars are going away anytime soon, though, and I see a long hard road for EVs.
#1485 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 13, 2013 (11:14 am)
I would put the Hydrogen cars in the same group as CNG & EV. Very limited market for at least another decade. Both hydrogen and CNG are fossil fueled. And most of the energy used in an EV is produced by fossil fuel. Which to me still means we should be using our fossil fuel in the most efficient manner that fits our transportation needs.
When you factor in the concerns on gas fracking, IS Natural Gas used to produce CNG, electricity or Hydrogen better overall than refining oil into gas or diesel?
#1486 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [gagrice]
Oct 17, 2013 (7:57 am)
Hydrogen is hard to extract but it's abundant. It may carry the edge over the others because of the sustainability angle. Down the road, we could use solar power to extract it, even.
That's looking (very) long term, though.
#1487 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [ateixeira]
Oct 17, 2013 (8:08 am)
Hydrogen production is mostly from Natural Gas. Most is used in refining oil and fertilizer production. I don't think producing hydrogen from water electrolysis is very efficient use of electricity.
My question would be how many miles can you drive a vehicle powered with hydrogen vs battery per KWH used. Of course we know that as expensive as Li-ion batteries are to produce, Hydrogen cells are far more expensive. Both used very expensive elements neither of which we produce in the USA.
#1488 of 1543 Re: crank up the Hindenburg machine [gagrice]
Oct 17, 2013 (8:22 am)
In 2013, yes. I'm talking long term, though. They'll figure out ways to squeeze hydrogen out of other sources sooner or later.
Fuel tanks do have the advantage of taking whatever shape fits under the car, while hydrogen tanks need to take a certain form.