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#1469 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [gagrice]
Oct 08, 2013 (12:29 pm)
knock a hole through 1/4 inch plate
Who said they have 1/4" plate under the Tesla? This ain't a rally car...
Keeping weight down is essential so there's no way they use that.
#1470 of 1543 Re: Drive your polluter to the landfield [gagrice]
Oct 08, 2013 (12:31 pm)
I compost, also.
Lady next door uses 100 of those lawn and leaf bags since there's no curb side pickup. Yet taxes are ridiculously high here.
#1471 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [ateixeira]
Oct 08, 2013 (1:39 pm)
Saw it in an article on the response from tesla that the object torn through the 1/4 plate used to protect the battery, so no Gary wasn't imagining it, is it true, who knows but it was apparently in the official response from tesla.
#1472 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [scwmcan]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 08, 2013 (2:45 pm)
road debris cutting through 1/4 in. plate? Really? I rather doubt a small caliber bullet could do that.
#1473 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 08, 2013 (5:24 pm)
I am not the one saying it, Elton Musk is ( or was). From Reuters:
"(Reuters) - Elon Musk, the chief executive of Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA.O), defended the safety performance of electric cars on Friday, three days after a battery fire in a Tesla Model S helped sparked a decline in the automaker's market value.
"For consumers concerned about fire risk, there should be absolutely zero doubt that it is safer to power a car with a battery" than a conventional gas-powered vehicle, Musk said in a blog post on Tesla's website.
Tesla shares fell more than 5 percent this week, the sharpest weekly decline since mid-August, after images and a video emerged Wednesday of a Model S on fire after an accident near Seattle Tuesday morning.
The fire occurred after the driver struck a large metal object on the highway. The object punched a hole three inches in diameter through the quarter-inch armor plate protecting the battery pack with a peak force of about 25 tons, Musk said."
Now is it true, I don't know, but neither Gary or I imagined it being said in the official response from Musk. Now is it misquoted who knows, I know I saw it in other reports besides the one I copied here, but as we know it seems reporters can be quite lazy nowadays and just copy and paste their articles, so the same mistake can be in several places.
#1474 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [scwmcan]
Oct 08, 2013 (6:11 pm)
We here can only recite what we read, but just because Musk said something regarding the company in which he has 23% ownership doesn't make it so. I think the jury is still out regarding the sequence of events that caused that Tesla to catch on fire.
#1475 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [hpmctorque]
Oct 08, 2013 (7:58 pm)
Oh I agree, it is too soon to know what happened, I was just pointing out that it wasn't in Gary's imagination that 1/4 inch plate was mentioned in regards to the incident, I have no idea if it is really there, or what really happened except it appears metallic debris was hit and somehow started a fire ( which could also happen in an internal combustion car as well). No comment on the safety of the car, seems like it did its job, and so far this is an isolated incident, if it were to happen every time an accident occurred then there would be cause for concern, but certainly not now.
#1476 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [scwmcan]
Oct 09, 2013 (3:20 am)
We're on the same page.
#1477 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 09, 2013 (7:25 am)
If we read the report on the accident from the fire department, it's a bit more complicated than that. They had a lot of trouble putting out the fire, as they experienced what is called "thermal runaway" with lithium-ion batteries.
The FD had to actually cut into the car while it was on fire, in order to suppress the burning batteries, using special chemicals. Water was of no use. Had an occupant been trapped in there, putting out the fire would have taken a long, long, time.
There is in fact an investigation going on, to be completed in 2014, to determine the dangers of lithium-ion batteries as a potentially serious fire hazard due to overcharging, faulty manufacture or collision.
Apparently the nickel-metal hydride batteries used in most hybrid electric cars (non plug-in) are not as susceptible to fire and explosion.
#1478 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 09, 2013 (6:37 pm)
"Apparently the nickel-metal hydride batteries used in most hybrid electric cars (non plug-in) are not as susceptible to fire and explosion."
That may be a major reason why Toyota stays with nickel based batteries (as far as I know) for the Prius. They also happen to be cheaper, but that's probably of lesser importance, considering the financial damage, and damage to the brand, that fires could cause.