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#1450 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [gagrice]
Oct 03, 2013 (10:39 am)
The battery is at the bottom, so they probably have the lowest CoG of any sedan. That probably helped rollover scores.
I disagree, though, some debris was hit and the fire happened after the passengers exited the car. All the passengers were safe. It's not like it exploded and injured people inside.
The 2nd article merely says they did not want Tesla using the information in a way that they didn't intend. But what they claimed wasn't inaccurate.
In fact after reading it, to me it seems like Tesla had a point!
#1451 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [ateixeira]
Oct 03, 2013 (11:06 am)
Did a little more reading....
Not only did they exit the car, a built-in alert system discovered the problem and alerted them to do so.
Plus the fire never spread to the inside of the cabin.
People will react to news like this, but I don't see how it's unsafe. The driver collided with debris. I'm sure temp sensors found the problem before the condition became unsafe.
My dad was once a passenger in a car that caught fire. Other cars told them to stop, and he got out just in time. No alert system in that car-B-Q.
#1452 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [texases]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 03, 2013 (12:43 pm)
THey did make the "safest" claim but were slammed by NHTSA for fudging the facts---in reality, none of the Tesla' competitors were ever crash tested, and, worse yet, Tesla reported a score of "5.4 rating", which doesn't even exist.
Putting a fire alarm in a building doesn't make it "safer". A fire-suppression system makes it safer (as in race cars).
And, as the only car to warn you to exit the vehicle...one is tempted to ask---why did they feel such a warning necessary?
#1453 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 04, 2013 (8:24 am)
Li-ion batteries store a lot of energy, so they added the safety alert.
Would be nice if fuel tanks had an alert if the fuel level suddenly dropped, indicating a fuel leak, but gas cars are not as safe.
Tesla should be compared to sedans, not race cars. That's not really fair - look at the million dollar price tags those race-prepped cars carry.
#1454 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [ateixeira]
Oct 04, 2013 (8:56 am)
Bottom line, the cops could NOT find any metal object that was hit by the Tesla. We don't know what happened. We do know it took fire fighters over two hours to put out the fire. How much pollution does burning that many Li-ion batteries produce. Did that completely eradicate any kind of saving of the environment the Tesla may or may not provide?
Hopefully the NHTSA get to look over the car before Tesla destroys any evidence.
#1455 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [ateixeira]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 04, 2013 (9:00 am)
Oh I wasn't comparing the Tesla to a race car (hardly). I was only commenting on how a "safe" car shouldn't need a "Bail Out" warning. No other car I know of feels the need for this--nor any building or airplane for that matter. There's an "exit" sign but no direct order to punch out.
A full tank of gas has as much or more energy than those batteries, and no, don't ask me to do the math. Miles driven is how I came up with that.
#1456 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 04, 2013 (9:07 am)
An EV will NOT be practical until they have at least a 500 mile range and as many charging stations as we have gas stations. I don't think it will be in my lifetime. EVs are just more corporate welfare at the rest of our expense.
#1457 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [gagrice]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 04, 2013 (9:12 am)
I actually plotted out a typical month's routine in my vehicle and I could live with a 300 mile range, if it was an actual, dependable 300 miles without caveats for temperature, accessories used, speed limit adherence, etc.
My figures show that only perhaps 2 times month would the car's range totally screw me up, not meaning getting stranded, but meaning that I'd have to change my plans so as to re-charge.
I absolutely could not live with 100 miles, so a Leaf is out.
A Tesla simply isn't practical as a "second car"---it's not enough of a "toy" to justify it like you might an exotic that you take to track days, you can't off-road with it, so it's not "recreational", and you can't haul gravel with it, as with a spare pickup.
#1458 of 1543 Re: They will be fun till they catch on fire. [gagrice]
Oct 04, 2013 (9:27 am)
Would a 22 gallon fuel tank leaking and burning away have been any cleaner? I doubt it.