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#1233 of 1543 faster than filling a tank of gas
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jun 21, 2013 (1:46 pm)
A lot of posters here saw this coming, but few thought it would be that fast.
"It took just 93 seconds to swap the Tesla Model S's batteries during Thursday night's preview event. That's 93 seconds from driving onto the stage until leaving the stage. The actual battery swap process was only part of that time."
Tesla To Launch EV Battery Swap Network
#1234 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [Stever@Edmunds]
Jun 21, 2013 (1:52 pm)
To me, swappable EV batteries is a big 'so what'. We already had one company go bankrupt (flushing what, a BILLION $$ down the drain?) pushing the swappable battery idea. Imagine how much a swappable Tesla battery would cost - $30,000? And who takes the risk about battery quality? And how many would you need to make any sort of economic sense?
I fear for my taxpayer wallet on this....
#1235 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [texases]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jun 21, 2013 (2:01 pm)
I think it's a critical mass kind of thing. It works well in warehouses for electric forklifts. And for swapping propane tanks at the convenience store.
The million dollar price tag per swapping station is a bit steep though!
#1236 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [texases]
Jun 21, 2013 (2:55 pm)
That's the first thing that I thought - what's the cost of that battery?
I wonder if the ~3%er who bought the car would get yet another tax break for an extra battery. More trickle up economics. I am not seeing much sign of this tech coming down to the real world just yet,
#1237 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [Stever@Edmunds]
Jun 21, 2013 (3:13 pm)
Let me get this straight. About every 100 miles on your trip you pull in and swap your depleted battery for a charged one? And it cost about the price of 15 gallons of gas or about $60 in CA where all these rich nut jobs live. Or I can own a plush say S class Mercedes and go 450 miles on that 15 gallons of gas. I am with those that see another gigantic tax payer rip-off.
Owners of Tesla EVs will pay the price equivalent of 15 gallons of gasoline for the service.
Just another instance proving some people have way too much money, and way too little common sense.
#1238 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [texases]
Jun 21, 2013 (3:15 pm)
Some of these questions have been asked to Musk during the launch event.
I've read that the price per swap is targeted to be $60-80, and superchargers will remain gratis. Roughly 90 seconds to swap.
#1239 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [gagrice]
Jun 21, 2013 (3:16 pm)
Let me get this straight. About every 100 miles on your trip you pull in and swap your depleted battery for a charged one?
100 miles? Why?
#1240 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [tifighter]
Jun 21, 2013 (3:46 pm)
100 miles? Why?
Ok, so you get out on the interstate and cruise at 55 MPH for up to 300 miles. What are the odds you will find a swap station just when you need it most. Of course the answer could be the rest of US will supply you with FREE charges if you are wealthy enough to own the Tesla Model S.
What’s good for Tesla may be good for the EV industry as a whole. Yet the supercharging stations are built to power only the Model S. Not even the Tesla Roadster can handle the charge.
It gets better, the 300 mile range is more of a sales gimmick than reality.
How far does the Tesla Model S go on a charge, 300 miles, right? If you read Consumer Reports’ celebrated rave review, giving the car 99 out of a potential 100 points, you’d think it was 200 to 220 miles. But range is a slippery slope, and some clarification is helpful here.
Maybe they were talking about the 60-kilowatt-hour car, Tesla said in an email. No, that’s not it. Consumer Reports Eric Evarts told me, “All our testing was on the 85 kWh model. We averaged 200 miles—about 220 in temperate weather, no heat or A/C, and as little as 180 in the winter with the heat on. We did not use the Max Range charging mode, because we think most consumers won't want to assume the risk to their batteries, at least most of the time, and think they want to know the typical, not max range.”
Stretched to the Max
As we all know, the Model S claims 300 miles on a charge, but Max Range charging is a big part of that, because it allows the battery 15 percent more capacity, extending the range. But that shouldn’t be something owners do routinely. As CR points out, “In general, we heed Tesla’s advice against charging for ‘max range’ due to the adverse effect on battery life, as any other owner would, and charge in ‘standard’ mode.”
#1241 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [gagrice]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jun 21, 2013 (5:16 pm)
180 mile range? So that's like buying a BMW 5 series with an 6.5 gallon gas tank. Would anyone actually buy one?
#1242 of 1543 Re: faster than filling a tank of gas [MrShift@Edmunds]
Jun 21, 2013 (7:51 pm)
I don't think they have sold as many to the public as they would have US believe. With one required as loner at each dealership cuts into the total sold. That said, it is obvious they are a rich persons play toy. Not meant for the rest of US. They are spending millions of our tax payer dollars on FREE charging stations across the country. That will only work on the $100k+ S model. So those that buy are probably close to one of those tax payer supported fast charge stations. Showing just how the rich get richer and that corporate welfare is alive and well in the Green Agenda.