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#1146 of 1543 Re: This Ain't Right [steve_]
May 09, 2013 (7:01 pm)
Crappy (literally) range and high maintenance.
The people farming and using real HP seem to be doing well during this poor economy. They keep their farms spotless and don't have the huge payments on the big 4wheel drive John Deere. My problem was mixing the two and letting the modern farming deplete all my savings. I would try it again if I was younger and not so lazy.
#1147 of 1543 Re: This Ain't Right [steve_]
May 10, 2013 (9:51 am)
Yeah but at least they have soul.
#1148 of 1543 Re: This Ain't Right [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 11, 2013 (7:03 am)
Fun rebuttal from the car guy at the Wall St. Journal.
"RECENTLY, CAPITALISTS were scandalized when Fiat and Chrysler Group Chairman Sergio Marchionne revealed that his company loses $10,000 apiece on the Fiat 500e, an electric retrofit of the wee-posh 500 built solely to satisfy California's zero-emission vehicle mandate and sold, for now, only in the Golden State. This sickening perversion of market forcesówhereby a tiny fraction of a company's profits are used to mitigate harm caused by its productsówas labeled "masochism" by Mr. Marchionne.
Yeah, well, tough. It's the cost of doing business in the biggest vehicle market in the U.S., and a plain-fact acknowledgment that the automobile has public costsóimpacts on air quality, climate and health, infrastructure, injury and death. Lest we forget. You can take issue with California's zero-emission vehicle methodology, and you can reach different conclusions with regard to electric vehicles' value to consumers; but it's inarguable that car companies have an obligation to clean up the mess they make."
#1149 of 1543 Re: This Ain't Right [steve_]
May 11, 2013 (5:52 pm)
but it's inarguable that car companies have an obligation to clean up the mess they make."
I suppose you could make that argument about most everything we buy. What is the total impact of the iPhone on the Planet? Or the Solar panels and wind generators? And don't get me started on GMOs and Ethanol.
If we become entwined in the World GW move, why don't we create emissions standards for all the automakers. So they don't have to engineer for every Tom, Dick and Moonbeam?
#1151 of 1543 Tesla's Soaring Stock
May 14, 2013 (5:14 am)
The price of Tesla (symbol TSLA) stock has been soaring. The stock's spike may portend future success for the company, or or it could be a bubble. We'll know in time.
CR's endorsement may give a number of wealthy fence sitters sufficient confidence to buy a new Model S, especially now that they have some assurance regarding depreciation.
While I won't have a Tesla in my garage any time soon, I'm not as dismissive of this car as I had been. Also, I'd be inclined to wait for the introduction of a more mass market model than the S.
#1152 of 1543 Re: Tesla's Soaring Stock [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 14, 2013 (5:31 am)
TESLA is successful because they make a good CAR, not a good electric car.
As for California, no automaker's CEO is so ignorant that he doesn't know that California has the 8th largest economy in the world.
One isn't marketing to a state, one is marketing to a country, so to speak.
#1153 of 1543 Re: Tesla's Soaring Stock [Mr_Shiftright]
May 14, 2013 (6:40 am)
The fact that Tesla is a domestic company that makes good cars in our country will appeal to some people.
Will Teslas be competitive without government assistance and tax subsidies?
#1154 of 1543 Re: Tesla's Soaring Stock [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 14, 2013 (8:19 am)
Excellent question. I have no idea what their actual margins are per car.
But subsidy in the market place is not a new idea....I mean directly or indirectly gasoline and mortgage payments are "subsidized", through tax breaks for instance.
There are still too many "What Ifs" to judge the future of pure electric cars like the TESLA.
What if gasoline goes to $10 a gallon
What if there is a huge breakthrough in battery technology, driving efficiency up and cost down
Some folks compare Tesla to say Tucker but I don't think that's fair, because the Tucker was not a well-sorted product, but I have to say the Tesla seems every bit as good a car as a BMW or Audi or Lexus.
As for California "pushing pollution to other states"----well, that is true of anyone using an electric car anywhere in the USA.
In Texas, for instance, your electric car would actually be powered by natural gas, being burned....somewhere....
#1155 of 1543 Re: Tesla's Soaring Stock [Mr_Shiftright]
May 14, 2013 (8:59 am)
I believe a big breakthrough in battery technology will be required for electric cars to go mainstream, without special subsidies. It may happen, and probably will, but there doesn't seem to be anything beyond lithium ion batteries currently. In the meantime, ICEs and transmissions continue to become increasingly efficient.