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#1098 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [gagrice]
Apr 18, 2013 (10:57 am)
do they bring you a Corolla loaner?
At least make it a hybrid.
Battery tech has hit a ceiling. We'll get diminishing improvements until they find some sort of break through.
#1099 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [ateixeira]
Apr 18, 2013 (11:18 am)
Battery tech has hit a ceiling.
To me that is the issue. I think they hit the ceiling with the NiMH technology. Lithium Ion batteries have not proven their long term abilities. From the smallest to the largest they have problems lasting as long as NiCad or NiMH. And they cost more. I have NiCad batteries still taking a good charge after 15 years of use in Makita drills. Problem is finding OEM quality replacements.
#1100 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [gagrice]
Apr 18, 2013 (11:22 am)
All the laptop recalls for fires were Li-ion. Plus all the Fiskers that caught fire after Sandy, too.
Li-ion need to be cooled. Anything goes wrong with the cooling system and it's almost like a HAZMAT, handle with care.
They are lighter and store more energy, though.
#1101 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [ateixeira]
Apr 18, 2013 (11:35 am)
That is the advantage. However there are many unhappy Leaf owners over diminished battery levels within a year. Will they come up with a fix???
Ads for the 2013 Leaf model state that the vehicle can get the equivalent of 106 miles per gallon.
Owner Randy Miller says he gets many less miles than he thought per battery charge. He says he was promised 100 miles. After just 15 months, he says he gets 67.3 miles per charge.
Owner John Noble says he was promised his battery would have 80% life after five years. But he says it's already down 30% after 10 months.
The ABC15 Investigators talked with three Valley owners who all say they can't drive where they want, because of battery issues.
And they say that Nissan had done little to help. With a price tag of around $30,000, upset owners wanted action.
The new warranty is hardly worth much IMO
Under the new warranty, Nissan will repair or replace a Leaf's battery within five years or 60,000 miles if it loses more than 30 percent of its charge capacity. For Leaf owners, that means the warranty kicks in if the 12-bar battery gauge falls under nine bars.
#1102 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [gagrice]
Apr 18, 2013 (12:38 pm)
It will have the opposite effect - people will sabotage the battery trying to get it below 9 bars max.
How? Draining it completely over and over is one way.
#1103 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [ateixeira]
Apr 18, 2013 (1:50 pm)
They need to only sell them in mild climates. Be up front if someone wants one in a hot place like AZ, CA or NV that all warranties on the battery is void. A class action suit will be found in favor of the car owners. Even 80% after 5 years is unacceptable. There are NiMH batteries in Prius going on 10 years and still working.
#1104 of 1543 Re: 80 Tesla Model S loaners [gagrice]
Apr 18, 2013 (5:15 pm)
Up, CR tested a 10 year old Prius and the batteries performed like new.
#1106 of 1543 Re: Top 10 Green Cities [ateixeira]
Apr 23, 2013 (9:37 am)
Weird that Seattle isn't on the list, as I can't throw a cat around here without hitting a Prius/Leaf/Volt/Tesla etc - tons of Prius taxis and government fleet vehicles too.
Then I can fire up the fintail and cancel out about 50 of them
NGO, isn't that code for sucking down public funds, but doing it under the ruse of a private enterprise?
#1107 of 1543 Re: Top 10 Green Cities [fintail]
Apr 23, 2013 (9:56 am)
the fintail ... cancel out
You knocked then down to 11th.