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#1534 of 1543 Re: BMW jumps in [MrShift@Edmunds]
Dec 02, 2013 (2:30 pm)
Interesting tidbit, the carbon fiber for those is made in WA state, due to cheap hydropower probably.
#1535 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [Stever@Edmunds]
Dec 02, 2013 (2:37 pm)
He deserves something for driving a Leaf
But at least that one isn't aimed at 2%ers who still receive crazy incentives.
#1536 of 1543 Re: BMW jumps in [fintail]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 02, 2013 (2:46 pm)
It's a very controversial design for sure, but very interesting nonetheless. And with the range extender, 300km range is nothing to sneeze at, or 340 or so if you hypermile a bit.
Tesla is still the 800 lb gorilla on the luxury end, but I think that BMW has leapfrogged Tesla (for the moment) in designing the electric car of tomorrow.
THIS car is a game changer I think.
#1537 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [Stever@Edmunds]
Dec 02, 2013 (3:07 pm)
How much does it cost to charge?
Reed: This is a question I wish I were asked more often because the answer is so awesome. It costs me about $2 for my daily 63-mile commute compared to the $8 it used to cost to cover the same distance in my 2007 Honda Fit Sport.
In the U.S., the cost of electricity varies far more than the cost of gasoline, from a kilowatt-hour average of 8.6 cents in Washington state to 37 cents in Hawaii.
I have to assume he lives in WA which has relatively low electric rates at 8.6 cents per KWH. That same charge in San Diego would likely be $7.92. Or a per mile cost of 12.6 cents per mile. Staying with San Diego gas prices of $3.45 per gallon any vehicle that gets 27.6 MPG would be comparable. Not a real selling point for an EV in the land of Fruits, nuts and Flakes. And our electric rates are going up again. If you worked nights you could get a solar panel to charge the car during the day.
#1538 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [Stever@Edmunds]
Dec 02, 2013 (3:53 pm)
A typical conventional car with 15 gallons of gas on board carries the explosive power of 210 sticks of dynamite.
That got me thinking. From what I can find a tank of RUG is more volatile than a tank of Diesel. So the chance of a spark starting a fire with a gas vehicle is higher than with a diesel vehicle. It is obvious from the Li-Ion fires in Tesla and Prius after market Plugins, is they are much more likely to catch fire just from internal heat. Any kind of short circuit can start a Li-ion battery fire. Over 7 million Sony laptop batteries were recalled. I got a new one for my Dell Inspiron. Diesel the safest energy source.
SAN JOSE, Calif. — The massive global recall of batteries made by Sony Corp. widened Wednesday as Japanese electronics maker Fujitsu Ltd. said it is recalling 287,000 laptop batteries that are at risk of overheating or catching fire.
The move brings the number of lithium-ion batteries being replaced worldwide to more than 7 million, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.
Fujitsu said the recall would affect 224,000 laptops sold outside Japan across 10 models, including the popular Lifebook series. The remaining 63,000 were sold in Japan. Company officials refused to describe the recall's cost.
Fujitsu's decision follows similar moves by other major notebook computer makers, with the first and largest coming from Dell Inc. at 4.2 million, followed by Apple Computer Inc. at 1.8 million. Lenovo Group Ltd. and Toshiba Corp. joined the recall last week.
#1539 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 02, 2013 (4:11 pm)
John lives within commuting distance of the home office in Santa Monica (i.e. somewhere in the greater LA area).
If the NHTSA had been around 100 years ago, we'd all have been driving electrics all these years. Lead acid batteries never explode.
#1540 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [Stever@Edmunds]
Dec 02, 2013 (6:10 pm)
Los Angeles has subsidized electricity and is not burdened as much with State mandates. Not sure what they are paying per KWH. Ours starts at 15 cents and quickly goes up four tiers to 34 cents per KWH. If you don't use any AC and keep the lights off you can keep your bill under $100 per month. I always get brownie points from SDG&E for being well below comparable homes in my area. Where I am considering moving in KY the rates are 6.98 cents per KWH with $5 per month service charge. My bill during a light AC use month (643KWHs)was $135.77. In KY that bill would have been $49.88. So we not only pay some of the highest taxes in the Nation we also get screwed on utilities. Our highest bill this summer was $274.94 (1125 KWH). Same usage in KY would be $83. Owning an EV in San Diego is real iffy on any savings.
#1541 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 02, 2013 (6:29 pm)
From the link:
"O'Dell: Fuel cost is immaterial to me. We have a home solar system, so our electric bill is very low. It averages about $25 a month for a 2,000-square-foot house, the EV and the 240-volt natural-gas fuel compressor we have for the Civic. But we are on one of Southern California Edison Co.'s special EV rate plans, so our usual charging — between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. — would average about 8 cents per kWh, or $2.69 per 100 miles of travel, if we had to pay for all of it."
#1542 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [Stever@Edmunds]
Dec 02, 2013 (6:46 pm)
Lucky him. The cheapest EV rate in San Diego is 16 cents per KWH. Between the hours of midnite and 5 AM. We won't go into the unknown cost of owning Solar.
#1543 of 1543 Re: too new, too different and too dangerous? [gagrice]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 02, 2013 (7:58 pm)
Sounds like he's invested a hefty sum in infrastructure for a green lifestyle. Well, more "power' to him.