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#845 of 874 Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by pafromfl

Aug 05, 2009 (10:07 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jul 06, 2009 4:11 pm)
Nebraska implemented an alternative fuel tax when the Prius became popular in 2005.
 
E10 is like a gasoline tax in that it reduces gas mileage by 10% in many cars, but does not cost less than pure gasoline. Because of reduced gas mileage and energy used for ethanol/corn production/distribution, E10 actually increases net oil consumption. The corn conglomerate is enriched by this tax. Now that observant consumers are exposing the scam, the Greenies should admit their mistake and shut down corn ethanol production before they lose what little is left of their credibility.

#846 of 874 Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by kernick

Aug 06, 2009 (9:46 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Jul 06, 2009 2:22 pm)
Well, that means giving hybrid or plug-in or home-grown biofuel users a free ride for their use of the road.
 
Maybe we need to move to a system where the tax is placed on Tires instead of gas. That seems fair to me as everyone then will be taxed for using the road regardless of their energy-mode, and everyone's vehicle will then be taxed based on the factors of their weight and how much they are used, as this will affect how long their tires last.
 
So remove all road-repair taxes from gasoline and diesel, and lets just start taxing tires of all sorts!

#847 of 874 Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [kernick] by steve_ HOST

Aug 06, 2009 (11:20 am)

Replying to: kernick (Aug 06, 2009 9:46 am)
No bad, but then you'll have cheapskates like me try to fill the tires with molasses or something to keep the going longer (my daddy claimed he did that with his bicycle tires back in the Depression. My daddy lied a lot too. ).
 
Right now, tire fees in nine states are deposited into the state’s general fund instead of clean-up, which is the usual reason for collecting separate tire "taxes."
 
Tire Fees and Recycling: How Does Your State Compare? (Tire Industry Organization)

#848 of 874 I think Peak oil is a ways off yet by gagrice

Sep 23, 2009 (10:23 pm)

Oil Industry Sets a Brisk Pace of New Discoveries
 
More than 200 discoveries have been reported so far this year in dozens of countries, including northern Iraq’s Kurdish region, Australia, Israel, Iran, Brazil, Norway, Ghana and Russia. They have been made by international giants, like Exxon Mobil, but also by industry minnows, like Tullow Oil.
 
Just this month, BP said that it found a giant deepwater field that might turn out to be the biggest oil discovery ever in the Gulf of Mexico, while Anadarko announced a large find in an “exciting and highly prospective” region off Sierra Leone.
 
It is normal for companies to discover billions of barrels of new oil every year, but this year’s pace is unusually brisk. New oil discoveries have totaled about 10 billion barrels in the first half of the year, according to IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates. If discoveries continue at that pace through year-end, they are likely to reach the highest level since 2000.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/business/energy-environment/24oil.html
 
It is reflected in the drop of oil prices today. I hope it holds out for my vacation in my Gas Guzzling Sequoia. C'mon $2 gas...

#849 of 874 Dutch treat by steve_ HOST

Nov 19, 2009 (3:22 pm)

"aimed at raising revenue while reducing greenhouse gas emissions and oil consumption by making it more economical to buy the most efficient vehicles and then drive them less often, especially during the morning and evening rush hours."
 
Dutch Are First to Adopt Pay-Per-Mile Driving Taxes to Cut CO2, Reduce Oil Use (Green Car Advisor)

#850 of 874 higher gas taxes means fewer home foreclosures? by steve_ HOST

Feb 02, 2010 (6:41 pm)

"[V]ehicle ownership and a lack of access to public transportation may be just as predictive of mortgage foreclosure rates as low credit scores and high debt-to-income ratios.
 
“Many households in location efficient areas still have cars — it’s just that on average they have fewer cars per household and drive them less,” said Jennifer Henry of the NRDC. In other words, families in such communities who find themselves spending too much on car repairs, gas and parking might switch to public transportation to make ends meet."
 
Could Cars Have Caused the Mortgage Meltdown? (Wired)

#851 of 874 No additional taxes by euphonium

Feb 03, 2010 (10:00 am)

just spend the gasoline taxes on building new roads and repairing old highways.
 
Stop diverting gasoline taxes into the general fund.

#852 of 874 Re: higher gas taxes means fewer home foreclosures? [steve_] by kernick

Feb 03, 2010 (10:04 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Feb 02, 2010 6:41 pm)
Anyone who owns a vehicle and figures out their total cost, and has seen what a monthly pass is for most public transportation systems, knows they are paying far more for the vehicle.
 
But then you have to ask yourself is it a level-comparision. The vehicle is being 100% supported by the rider; can most public transportation systems say that? Do fares cover the costs?
 
I'm taking a trip next month and I was trying to use public transportation to get most of the way to and fro the airport in Boston. I can drive 40 miles from my place in NH, get on a train, then connect thru 2 subway lines and get to the airport. Great; until I have come back to Boston and have to get back to my auto. The last subway cars run about the time my plane is supposed to land. DOH! So that would mean having to stay overnight at an expensive Boston airport hotel (about 7 hr wait and $150) So instead I'm driving all the way, and staying at a sleep-park-fly hotel, with 24 hr shuttle.

#853 of 874 Re: higher gas taxes means fewer home foreclosures? [kernick] by nippononly

Feb 03, 2010 (10:20 am)

Replying to: kernick (Feb 03, 2010 10:04 am)
But then you have to ask yourself is it a level-comparision. The vehicle is being 100% supported by the rider; can most public transportation systems say that? Do fares cover the costs?
 
Mm hmm, and while you're asking yourself that, you could also ask yourself if the costs related to the car REALLY cover 100% of the costs caused by the car, because clearly the roads are heavily subsidized as is the cost of gas, and STILL the roads are falling apart.
 
If motorists paid 100% of the impacts of their cars, it would be WAY more expensive to drive, enough so that public transit might seem quite attractive by comparison.

#854 of 874 Re: higher gas taxes means fewer home foreclosures? [nippononly] by kernick

Feb 03, 2010 (6:21 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Feb 03, 2010 10:20 am)
because clearly the roads are heavily subsidized as is the cost of gas,
 
It sounds like you want me to say "prove it" and then you're going to nake some political statement, about the global-cooling ... I mean warming (LOL) that cars cause, and the fact that the U.S. happens to be the lead policeman for the world. [If you complain about the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan, I'll agree with you - they should have been pulverized with a few hundred inexpensive nukes instead of dismantling them. ] Otherwise you have no financial case as the gas-tax and other taxes on owning an automobile have for years paid for the roads and bridges, and the EXCESS was given to support public transportation.
 
Let the government sell every road, highway and bridge in this country. And then the state and federal governments can eliminate the gasoline tax, and my registration taxes. I'll gladly pay the private owners a per-mile charge.

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