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Is a Higher Gasoline Tax Good Or Bad For America?

849 messages,  Last post on Nov 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM

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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2009 (4:44 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 8:48 pm)

How about a GPS chip in your head associated with your Social Security number. Each individual pays a mileage tax quarterly. I know you skiers and snowboarders would get hit hard in the winter. It would be a big financial hit on a large family that all like to go every time you get in the car.
 
Then nothing is perfect.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by imidazol97
Jul 02, 2009 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2009 4:44 am)

>Each individual pays a mileage tax quarterly.
 
That's a great idea: base tax on number of people benefitting from being allowed to use a road in the car. Think how much tax we could collect and spend in DC. We could call it the "capital rally tax" since it's per capita. Most people would never catch on to how sneaky it is as a new tax because they'd be busy being impressed by the name, same as with "cap and trade."
 
We could include pets in the chip implantation because we could say it's to help protect and care for the pets, and we can tax their use of roads as well for people who take their pets with them.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2009 4:44 am)

Chip implant gets cash under your skin
 
Digital Angel does talk about GPS and RFID herd management on their web page.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by kernick
Jul 02, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 8:48 pm)

I think a GPS system for taxing driving would be a stimulus to create quite the Black Market of hardware and software "solutions", to minimize mileage reported.
 
Who would pay for retrofitting the existing fleet of vehicles? And if these were like Speedpass and not built-in (installation labor?) to the ECM or such for hundreds of different models, I could just sit this little transmitter on the shelf in the garage every other day?
 
I think gas-tax should stay collected at the gas pump, except those with electric vehicles would get charged a flat-fee each year.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by kernick
Jul 02, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 02, 2009 8:28 am)

Exactly. Many ideas look great when looked at from an idealitic/optimistic POV. But there are many forces and people who that will test the reality of the ideal. One of the first things I thought of when I read the 1st paragraph was thieves will cut it out of someon'e arm; and there it was down a few paragraphs.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Jul 02, 2009 8:35 am)

OMG, they are going to cut my thumb off so they can use the ATM and drain my account!!!!!
 
Big whoop, they could stick a Saturday night special in my face at the pump and fill up on my tab too.
 
Does everyone stay up nights thinking up all these nightmare scenarios? No wonder parents won't let their kids walk to the bus stop - Freddy Krueger is on every corner. Sheesh.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by kernick
Jul 02, 2009 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 02, 2009 8:48 am)

Well any night I turn on the local news, a gas station or 7-11 is having an armed robbery, and the thieves get away with a few hundred $'s, about what they would get from your ATM.
 
And lemko might tell you if the big business in Philly is still to cut the registration- stickers off the license-plates, to resell the stickers. I saw many cars in Philly that had guards over the license-plates.
 
I don't want the RFID tag in my arm so much, as I want the cybernetic chain-gun attachment.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jul 02, 2009 11:17 am)

That constant drumbeat is another good reason to kill your TV. Crime rates are lower now than they were when I was a kid. (Time).
 
Gagrice still sounds a bit paranoid about riding public transit though, even after killing his TV.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2009 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 02, 2009 8:48 am)

Does everyone stay up nights thinking up all these nightmare scenarios? No wonder parents won't let their kids walk to the bus stop - Freddy Krueger is on every corner. Sheesh.
 
I do not know a single parent that will let their children play in their front yard unattended. With 100 registered sex offenders per square mile and Ahnold wanting to let more loose it is far too risky. This is the sickest society since the end of the Roman Empire.
 
With a GPS implant in the sex offenders it would be easier to track them 24/7.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2009 1:42 pm)

Tell 'em about Free Range kids.

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