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Is a Higher Gasoline Tax Good Or Bad For America?

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Sci-Fi pays as you go by steve_ HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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"The year is 2020 and the gasoline tax is history. In its place you get a monthly tax bill based on each mile you drove — tracked by a Global Positioning System device in your car and uploaded to a billing center.
 
 A federal commission, after a two-year study, concluded earlier this year that the road tax was the "best path forward" to keep revenues flowing to highway and transportation projects, and could be an important new tool to help manage traffic and relieve congestion."
 
Fuel tax could be replaced with by-the-mile road tax (McClatchy)
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 01, 2009 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 5:29 pm)

I don't like the big brother aspect of the idea. I do think that charging by the mile is the best way to get enough money for maintaining roads and bridges. If you can keep the slimy pols from using it for other than highway infrastructure.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (8:48 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 01, 2009 5:48 pm)

It's a scam to fund a bunch of new satellites to replace all the GPS ones that are rapidly failing.
 
I used to have my electric meter read remotely in Anchorage. The truck would drive down the street and pick up the radio signals; fast, accurate, no dog bites or tromping through the snow. Here, they still do it manually, and some months they skip my house and "estimate" my usage or they just misread the dial.
 
I don't think I'd like a pay by the mile system where you'd have to keep track and submit your own odometer readings, even if it was an IRS additional line item. The more automatic the better. Doing an annual smog test is a pain, now I have to fool with another form?
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2009 (4:44 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 8:48 pm)

How about a GPS chip in your head associated with your Social Security number. Each individual pays a mileage tax quarterly. I know you skiers and snowboarders would get hit hard in the winter. It would be a big financial hit on a large family that all like to go every time you get in the car.
 
Then nothing is perfect.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by imidazol97
Jul 02, 2009 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2009 4:44 am)

>Each individual pays a mileage tax quarterly.
 
That's a great idea: base tax on number of people benefitting from being allowed to use a road in the car. Think how much tax we could collect and spend in DC. We could call it the "capital rally tax" since it's per capita. Most people would never catch on to how sneaky it is as a new tax because they'd be busy being impressed by the name, same as with "cap and trade."
 
We could include pets in the chip implantation because we could say it's to help protect and care for the pets, and we can tax their use of roads as well for people who take their pets with them.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2009 4:44 am)

Chip implant gets cash under your skin
 
Digital Angel does talk about GPS and RFID herd management on their web page.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by kernick
Jul 02, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 01, 2009 8:48 pm)

I think a GPS system for taxing driving would be a stimulus to create quite the Black Market of hardware and software "solutions", to minimize mileage reported.
 
Who would pay for retrofitting the existing fleet of vehicles? And if these were like Speedpass and not built-in (installation labor?) to the ECM or such for hundreds of different models, I could just sit this little transmitter on the shelf in the garage every other day?
 
I think gas-tax should stay collected at the gas pump, except those with electric vehicles would get charged a flat-fee each year.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [steve_] by kernick
Jul 02, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 02, 2009 8:28 am)

Exactly. Many ideas look great when looked at from an idealitic/optimistic POV. But there are many forces and people who that will test the reality of the ideal. One of the first things I thought of when I read the 1st paragraph was thieves will cut it out of someon'e arm; and there it was down a few paragraphs.
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Re: Sci-Fi pays as you go [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Jul 02, 2009 8:35 am)

OMG, they are going to cut my thumb off so they can use the ATM and drain my account!!!!!
 
Big whoop, they could stick a Saturday night special in my face at the pump and fill up on my tab too.
 
Does everyone stay up nights thinking up all these nightmare scenarios? No wonder parents won't let their kids walk to the bus stop - Freddy Krueger is on every corner. Sheesh.

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