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849 messages, Last post on Nov 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 01, 2009 8:22 am) Any funds wasted on solar and battery research only placates the GW bowtie fearists who choose to ignore reality & dream of upsetting the profiteers. Drill deeper and build more refineries. Just because somebody doesn't know where all the crude is does not mean there isn't any more. So what if it is $100 a barrel, incomes will support buying it as competition will determine the cost to be effective.
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Replying to: euphonium (Jun 01, 2009 10:32 am) They LOVE to see posts like yours as they waste $320 million a year fighting against inevitability. They are the ones who need to "live with it" and realize that fossil fuel is on it's way OUT and they need to get aboard or get left behind.
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 01, 2009 10:35 am) You probably saw the Ford ethanol-assisted engine news I posted over in the Global Warming discussion: Alcohol makes autos more climate-friendly. (New Scientist). "They showed a 23 per cent improvement in fuel efficiency for the same performance levels."
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 01, 2009 11:07 am) But the REASON for that, mostly, is the ferociousness with which the Oil companies defend the "status quo" and that is the main reason it will remain a force. They have deep pockets because of our oil addiction, just like Drug Lords in South America have deep pockets because of drug addiction. OK, then let's recommend they use that lobbying money for this: Gas engines and ICE technology can be vastly improved, with $320 million a year thrown at it. Sure. Let's do that instead of using that money to fight for the same old same old.
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 01, 2009 11:35 am) No the reason we use ICE is - because it provides the longest range in all environmental and driving conditions, with the easiest of refueling at the lowest cost in equipment and fuel. And the reason my house uses oil for heat and hot water is because it is usually fairly low cost compared to electric, there is no natural gas line available, and coal is messy and dirty. Whether the U.S. turns to electirc cars or not, plenty of oil will still be sold to heat people's houses, make plastics, and supply the rest of the world with diesel and gasoline for their $3,000 cars. China and India are not going to be full of $30,000 EV's powered by wind and solar. The world has no way to put the oil-genie back in the bottle. All the recoverable oil in the world gets burnt by someone, somewhere in the next 100-200 years. There is not enough resources and wealth in the world to provide everyone with all the clean energy that they want.
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 01, 2009 11:58 am) If a gasoline tax does that, let's tax it more.
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 01, 2009 10:35 am) First if you do a little research you will find that ARCO has probably spent more on Solar Cell research than any other company. You seem to think it is in the oil companies interest to make the oil last longer. The more gas you burn in the TCH the better the oil companies like it. Why would they want US to use less gas and oil? The reason they spend million on lobbyist is to counter act the millions people like Greenpeace spend on lobbying Congress. Did your article mention how much they have spent trying to put the coal companies out of business. I really cannot believe anyone is so naive as to think that there is an honest person in our Congress. Find me one that does not take contributions from all these different special interest groups. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 01, 2009 1:28 pm) They SHOULD want to make it last longer, thus make the revenue stream continue. Why sell $300 billion worth of oil for ten years then run out, when you can sell $30 billion worth for a hundred years and at the same time be working on and selling alternatives for when the oil runs out? (Mind you, I'm just using the 10 years and 100 years figures to make the math easier. I know we have more years than that left, yada yada.) I did not start this thread from an "article" it was a TV interview BTW. (Don't know how the "lying, cheating Congress" even got into the thread, so I will ignore it since it has no bearing on what I was and am talking about.) If we tax it more, it will make it last longer because people will use less of it. In the meanwhile, figure out what are suitable alternatives you can develop and sell. That's why GM is in so much trouble - no vision for the future.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 01, 2009 1:28 pm) ARCO is now a BP subsidiary. BP is big into solar. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 01, 2009 1:40 pm) You brought it in with the crying about the coal and oil people lobbying Congress with $80 million this year. If I am a business man and have the option to sell $300 Billion widgets in 10 years or over 100 years. Only a fool would go for the long haul. Too many things can happen to do what you are saying. I don't think you realize how involved oil companies are in battery development and alternatives. They still have to lobby Congress to protect their businesses from the unscrupulous wannabe outfits that would destroy their business with NO alternatives. GreenPeace does not care if you have gas for your car. They would shut you down in a second if they could pull it off. That is the nature of the group. ZERO GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. I was in Prudhoe when they hauled a bunch of them off the ice half frozen and arrested them for trespassing. They turned their trucks off for a couple hours to block a project. When they decided to leave their trucks would not start. They were U-haul rental trucks. The BP security took mercy on them and hauled them in before they froze to death. That is the mentality of Greenpeace. Dumber than a box of rocks.
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