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Automotive News & Views Is a Higher Gasoline Tax Good Or Bad For America?
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 26, 2009 8:48 pm) I am not thrilled with the Federal Tax on gas. I have gotten used to it. Though I do not believe it is all used as it was purported to be used. If it is a tax to maintain the infrastructure that is fine. If it gets used for any other purpose I am against it. The issue for me is the huge state tax in some places. CA being the worst. And what are we getting for that tax? Last I checked CA tops the list of the 50 states at about 64 cents per gallon. It changes as there is sales tax of 7.75% added on top of the other taxes. I would be surprised looking at all the potholes in the roads around here, if even half goes for the intended purpose. Next to Illinois and NY I would imagine we have the most shysters in our legislature and administration. They have stolen every source of revenue to support their pet projects and social programs. They even ripped off the schools by not using the lottery money as it was intended. So for me to say I would agree that one penny more tax on anything in this state was good, is not going to happen. Where is that rope. Hang em all from the Golden Gate Bridge would be my remedy for this states government thieves. |
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 27, 2009 5:48 am) I consider most processed foods to be sinful. Feeding coco puffs to your kid is just as bad as smoking around him. Tax that stuff big time. Make a box of processed cereal $20 and use the tax to treat the diabetic & obese. Is it a sin to go to work? That is a lame idea, calling gas tax a sin tax.
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Replying to: gsolman6 (Jan 26, 2009 8:42 pm) It certainly will if we don't do something about reducing our consumption of it. But PLEASE let's not just presume this to be true. Let's do something about it.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 27, 2009 5:59 am) If you live two blocks from a bus station that delivers you within a half mile to your job site and you still drive, when you have no other errands to run other than going to work, then that's wasteful can be considered mildly sinful. No reason to pollute more than necessary. Anything guvmint can mandate or people can willingly do to reduce fossil fuel usage and reduce pollution and is within reasonable cost is good for all of us. If a higher gas tax makes a few more of the people who could commute to work in other ways than "one person one car" do so, then it's a good thing.
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 25, 2009 4:49 am) My thought would be to institute $0.05-$0.10 tax to help fund these projects to help offset the proposed stimulus package. Here are a few simple calculations (Please help if the numbers I have are not correct). The best number I could find is that we use roughly 178 million gallons per day of gasoline. 178,000,000 x $0.05 = $8,900,000 dollars a day $8,900,000 per day x 365 days = $3,248,500,000 each year. Of course if you have a $0.10 tax, it's roughly $6.5B. I know it doesn't begin to make a dent in the proposed stimulus package but it does go a long way to help fund much needed projects and secures some jobs for the construction segment. And we aren't passing the debt onto to our children and grand-children. Any thoughts?
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 27, 2009 10:24 am) Just what makes you think they would use it for infrastructure? They are working on the stimulus package right now. They have included money for abortions. Pelosi says that will help the economy. Only if they abort all future politicians. I don't think that bunch of losers need any suggestions on ways to screw the American tax payer out of more money. I would only suggest that I will vote against any spending of any taxes for anything they were not proposed for. And anyone that votes to spend money we have not got will not get my vote. Dirty Harry wants to use stimulus money to build a Mobster Museum in LV. That ought to help with failing bridges.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 27, 2009 2:06 pm) Maybe I wasn't going to post that vebatum but I was thinking the same thing. We are hearing a lot of, If they do this and If they do that with the money. Just were are we living that we can't see what they are doing with the money they already have? 800 billion, looks more like 1 trillion, was passed as a bailout before the election. Why? To help support the infrastructure of the banking industry and wall street. Now one of the bailed out banks is buying a French Jet with some of the money we the taxpayers forked out. Does that make me part owner on a French Jet? Piffle and I can't see that as infrastructure either. So don't for a minute give us what they could use the tax money for because they "aren't" using the tax on fuel for infrastructure right now. They are using that money for other programs that we never voted to fund in the first place, like the bailout. Now the election is over and the new president is offering up another 850 Billion stimulus, infrastructure bailout. Do any of you realize that the gas tax would be like spitting in the ocean to pay the interest on almost two trillion dollars? Wake up and smell the corruption. Your fuel taxes are not going anywhere near getting people to buy the car you want them to buy. Companies are not getting loans on building magic cars getting 100 MPG with your fuel tax money and they will not get any, I say any of your proposed increased fuel taxes. How do we know? Because they are so deep in debt they would have to use the money to cover part of the taxes we have already committed in the pre election and the post election bail outs. If you raise fuel taxes on the working class we can be like the countries mentioned earlier and reduce our average yearly income to what theirs are. There is a reason that boat loads of Americans aren't moving to Israel and Europe. We don't want to live like they do. If you use their methods to control the working class you will have their problems. Take off our rose colored glasses and see what happened when gas hit $4.00 a gallon. Think about how high food prices got. Think about how high transportation costs got. Higher fuel taxes will simply be another nail in our economy's coffin and anyone buying groceries, or building supplies "knows" it. Those that suggest they could give trucking a break know that is not going to happen. Those that say it could be made to be a neutral tax know it isn't possible in practice unless you got the money back as fast as you spent it. Those that say we just need to tighten our belts need to understand that such suggestions sound a lot like Marie Antonette, People can't afford bread, let them eat cake. People can't afford the new gas tax, let them ride the bus. Once again we see what happened when gas hit $4.00 do we need more "proof" that a fuel tax would be bad? |
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Was the Rev. Thomas Malthus right, after all? As you probably know, Malthus (1766-1834) warned about the impact of overpopulation on living standards. A United Nations study estimates the world population will continue exploding, from 6.6 billion to 9.3 billion by 2050. By 2050 America's population is expected to be 400 million, give or take one or two. That's an increase of ~30% from today's level. That means we'll be vastly outnumbered by 8.9 billion others across the planet, all competing with us. Some experts warn that it won't be long before "The Age of Oil" is over. Soon the marginal cost of extracting a barrel will equal the sale price. We are on the downside of the bell curve. No? Check out LifeAftertheOilCrash.com: "Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This isn't the proclamation of a wacko. It's the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely respected geologists, physicists, bankers and investors in the world. These are rational, professional, conservative individuals who are absolutely terrified by a phenomenon known as global 'peak oil.'" The solution? Stabilize the population. The problem is that this is so much easier to prescribe than to implement. Should we factor a rapidly growing population into our energy consumption plans, or should we continue on our present course and just hope that the Rev. continues to be wrong? Hopefully, new technologies will continue to bail us out, but maybe not. I don't know the answer to that one, but I sure think about it. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 27, 2009 2:06 pm) I'll work on my proposal and get back to you. |
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