Article Comments - 2009 BMW 335d Full Test

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#24 of 43 Re: Article Comments - 2009 BMW 335d Full Test [fedlawman] by nkeen Jan 25, 2009 (10:04 am)
Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 23, 2009 5:27 pm) Only trouble with the E46 was that my head kept hitting the grab handle to my left above the door frame. Even without a sunroof it was just too tight.
#25 of 43 Re: Article Comments - 2009 BMW 335d Full Test [fedlawman] by kyfdx HOST Jan 25, 2009 (10:07 am)
Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 24, 2009 9:40 am) Yeah.. that's the one I'm talking about, also... I really, really like that car.... Maybe it's because it came out at the time I first started shopping for new cars for myself..... If you had to buy any late '70s car, then the E21 was a totally amazing driving experience... Unfortunately, it was hard to buy one when you were making $3.35/hr.... In hindsight, it's easy to pick at it, especially since it was followed by the E30... but, it was a great car at the time.. Not to mention, the US version of the E30 pretty much sucked until they started shipping over the sixes.. And, that six wasn't much loved, either... It wasn't until the "i" motors started coming over in '87, until the E30 really hit it's stride.. To sum up... I love the E21.. can you find me a rust-free example? Replies to this message: fedlawman (Jan 25, 2009 12:58 pm)
#26 of 43 Re: Article Comments - 2009 BMW 335d Full Test [kyfdx] by fedlawman Jan 25, 2009 (12:58 pm)
Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 25, 2009 10:07 am) You make a good point about the pre-87 E30s. My uncle had an E21 and he let me drive it when we took a trip together from Dallas to Oklahoma back in the early 80's (I don't remember what city). I think it was a liquor run (tax free in OK?), but I digress. I remember at the time that I thought it was a fantastic car and I'm sure it was - for it's day. Trouble is, compared to the E30 and newer 3ers, the cheap interior, underpowered engine, and poor rust protection (to name a few) put it at the bottom of my scale. If I wanted a pre-E30 BMW, I'd get a 2002. Between the 2002 and the E30, the E21 is a logical progression, but looking back on the progression now, the E21 is a bastard step-child - possessing none of the strengths/benefits of each in enough degree to choose it. That's how I see it anyways.
#27 of 43 Umm... by pat HOST Jan 25, 2009 (3:39 pm)
anyone want to talk about the article that's the subject here? Replies to this message: fedlawman (Jan 25, 2009 4:07 pm) bigmclargehuge (Jan 25, 2009 6:17 pm) CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 5:54 am) and 2 more...
#28 of 43 Re: Umm... [pat] by fedlawman Jan 25, 2009 (4:07 pm)
Replying to: pat (Jan 25, 2009 3:39 pm) Pat, I think a discussion about how far the 3-series line has strayed from it's origins (and the path it's taken along the way) with the 335d - arguably the most un-3-like 3 series yet - is a logical discussion in response to the article. You gotta admit, a low-revving, 4000 lb gross weight, twin-turbo torque monster isn't exactly your father's 325i... Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Jan 25, 2009 6:17 pm) CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 5:54 am) bigmclargehuge (Jan 26, 2009 6:23 am) and 1 more...
#29 of 43 Re: Umm... [fedlawman] by bigmclargehuge Jan 25, 2009 (6:17 pm)
Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 25, 2009 4:07 pm) how far the 3-series line has strayed from it's origins (and the path it's taken along the way) with the 335d - arguably the most un-3-like 3 series yet Keep in mind, outside the US the 4-cylinders and diesels often sell as well as the I-6. Just a more refined daily driver than a performance car to most people worldwide. Pick a random car.... Lets say one year the performance model outsells the base model, so the base model is discontinued. 20 years of: Only Challenger is the R/T and SRT-8 Only Mustang is the GT and GT500 Only Mazda is the MS3 and MS6 Only Subaru is the WRX and STI If you offered only the performance model of any car, it starts to develop a habitual opinion of what it really is. Wouldn't change the fact that it can still be had in an entry-level model if produced. So it is with BMW as well. The 3-series is really a versatile platform. Replies to this message: CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 5:54 am) bigmclargehuge (Jan 26, 2009 6:23 am) CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 10:15 am)
#30 of 43 Re: Umm... [bigmclargehuge] by CycloneRcr Jan 26, 2009 (5:54 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Jan 25, 2009 6:17 pm) Keep in mind, outside the US the 4-cylinders and diesels often sell as well as the I-6. Just a more refined daily driver than a performance car to most people worldwide. Sells as well as the I-6... That's a pretty optimistic guess. In Europe almost one out of two 3er is a 320d. A four cylinder diesel, yes... And the I-6s compose maybe the 20% percent of sales.. 6 cylinders are rare over here, believe it or not.. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Jan 26, 2009 6:23 am) CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 10:15 am)
#31 of 43 Re: Umm... [CycloneRcr] by bigmclargehuge Jan 26, 2009 (6:23 am)
Replying to: CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 5:54 am) Sells as well as the I-6... That's a pretty optimistic guess. In Europe almost one out of two 3er is a 320d. A four cylinder diesel, yes... And the I-6s compose maybe the 20% percent of sales.. 6 cylinders are rare over here, believe it or not.. I couldn't find anything for Europe outside of Britain, so I wasn't going to get ambitious with my estimates. But thanks for extra info. It sounds perfectly natural for the eco-focused mid-size to out-sell the performance model when offered. You still get the same style car, even if you don't have a heavy right foot. I'm willing to bet the I-4 mid-size outsells the V/I-6 for almost every automaker when offered. And in time, that would repeat itself for the 3-series in the US. Replies to this message: CycloneRcr (Jan 26, 2009 10:15 am)
#32 of 43 Re: Umm... [bigmclargehuge] by CycloneRcr Jan 26, 2009 (10:15 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Jan 26, 2009 6:23 am) The situation has changed much in the recent years. With the continuosly increasing petrol prices and the re-introduction of diesel engines, the portion of larger disp. I-6 engines in overall sales decreased significantly. In Europe some countries also have a tax barrier for larger engines. But the quality of 2.0 Liter diesel engine plays also a big role for the dominance of four pot diesel. You should taste the machine, it absolutely goes like a 6 cylinder gas-powered BMW! With 177hp and 257 lb-ft, this machine blows the 320i easily, which is a fine 2.0L 170hp engine. I'm willing to bet the I-4 mid-size outsells the V/I-6 for almost every automaker when offered. That's the absolute truth for Europe. All the big volume models for premium the segment are those 4 cylinder engines. 318d, 320d, 318i, 320i - C200 Kompressor, C220 CDI - A4 1.8T, A4 2.0T, A4 2.0 TDI... Those cars are everywhere, but you should be looking for some time to see, let's say, a 330i or an A4 3.2 FSI.
#33 of 43 Re: Article Comments - 2009 BMW 335d Full Test [fedlawman] by Turbineguy Jan 26, 2009 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 23, 2009 10:37 am) The MB diesel is rated at 400lb-ft compared to the twin turbo BMW's 425. I'd be happy with either. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Jan 26, 2009 2:03 pm)