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#53 of 412 Re: Chrysler Minicars By Mid-2011 [hpmctorque] by gagrice Feb 03, 2009 (7:17 pm)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Feb 03, 2009 9:02 am) give Chrysler and the rest of the industry a temporary waiver on safety and emissions   That is a great idea. Let all the auto makers offer the small trucks and cars that are high mileage into the country for 5 years. As long as the meet the current Euro4 emissions standards. It would give GM and Ford a chance to compete against the Asian imports in the smaller car segments. Face it the Big 3 has never done a good job building small cars in the USA.
#54 of 412 pay or we won't play by steve_ HOST Feb 03, 2009 (8:53 pm)
"In an interview with the Detroit Free Press, Fiat CEO, Sergio Marchionne said that Chrysler must meet the terms of federal loans and, "stand up on its own two legs."   "If it doesn't, we won't play," Marchionne added."   Fiat Boss: Chrysler "needs to stand up on its own two legs" Replies to this message: fezo (Feb 04, 2009 8:06 am) gagrice (Feb 04, 2009 9:42 am)
#55 of 412 Re: pay or we won't play [steve_] by fezo Feb 04, 2009 (8:06 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Feb 03, 2009 8:53 pm) I dunno. That doesn't sound good to me. Essentially sounds like Fiat is saying that if we fix it up enough they'll do us a favor and take it off our hands. Replies to this message: gagrice (Feb 04, 2009 9:42 am)
#56 of 412 Re: pay or we won't play [fezo] by gagrice Feb 04, 2009 (9:42 am)
Replying to: fezo (Feb 04, 2009 8:06 am) Didn't Fiat cost GM about $4B in a deal gone sour?
#57 of 412 Re: pay or we won't play [gagrice] by hpmctorque Feb 04, 2009 (10:37 am)
"Didn't Fiat cost GM about $4B in a deal gone sour?"   That's correct, but this historical fact doesn't serve as an analogy for Chrysler's partnership with Fiat, if that's what you're implying. The situations between the Chrysler-fiat deal and the earlier GM-Fiat one are very different, and shouldn't be compared.
#58 of 412 Done deal isn't by steve_ HOST Feb 15, 2009 (10:03 am)
"The deal for Italian automaker Fiat SpA to take a 35 percent stake in Chrysler LLC will not be finished until after Chrysler submits a restructuring plan to the federal government, a Chrysler official said Friday."   Chrysler official: No Fiat deal closing by Tuesday (AP)
#59 of 412 Re: The upside for Chrysler is easy to see, I think [lokki] by roeteena Feb 21, 2009 (7:20 pm)
Replying to: lokki (Jan 21, 2009 6:51 am) Yes it would be nice,I think no matter what you get ahold of now days seems like they all have similar problems,I still can't get my factory alarm off,I to have read alot of bad reviews,no wonder there there sales are down,what really irrates me the most is you get out here on the street and you see one right after the other Town & Country and you just start cussing all of them and makes you that much more madder.I agree it will sell to congress.I know one thing I will never own another Chrysler again.
#60 of 412 Good match? by kernick Feb 23, 2009 (10:52 am)
Is this like a man and woman falling in love while waiting outside of bankruptcy court?   http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Moodys-cuts-Fiats-long-term/story.aspx?gui- d=%7B6868272C%2DD5CE%2D44DA%2DA321%2DFD1F889BEEC5%7D
#61 of 412 Too Good To Be True? by hpmctorque Mar 04, 2009 (4:50 am)
From Today's Detroit Free Press...   BY MARK PHELAN • FREE PRESS AUTO CRITIC • March 4, 2009   "GENEVA — On the eve of Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne’s meeting with the presidential automotive task force to discuss his company’s proposed alliance with Chrysler, the Italian automaker unveiled a new engine technology it says can reduce fuel consumption as much as 25%.   The system is expected to be available to all Fiat’s current and future partners, including Chrysler, Fiat powertrain chief Alfredo Altavilla said at Geneva's annual auto show.   The first engine using the system goes on sale in the Alfa Romeo MiTo sporty compact in Europe later this year. The MiTo is among the cars Fiat’s Alfa Romeo brand hopes to sell in the Untied States if its alliance with Chrysler comes to pass.   Called Multiair, the system uses electronic controls and hydraulics to vary an engine’s valve timing over a wider range than the mechanical systems automakers use today. Many automakers have turned to variable valve timing to improve fuel economy and boost performance in recent years.   Development of Multiair began with Fiat’s Ferrari Formula 1 racing team.   The system will initially be fitted to Fiat’s family of 1.0-liter to 1.4-liter four-cylinder engines. It will also be used on an upcoming line of 900cc two-cylinder engines the automaker has developed for use in small cars. Fiat will eventually use it on all its automotive engines.   Multiair reduces an engine’s fuel consumption 10%, but its high power output will allow automakers to replace big engines with smaller ones, leading to the potential 25% decreased in overall fuel consumption, Altavilla said. It also reduces exhaust emissions by 40% to 60% he said.   Fiat has proposed taking a 35% stake in Chrysler in exchange for providing the struggling automaker with a variety of vehicle platforms and engine and transmission technologies to produce the small, fuel-efficient vehicles Chrysler needs.   If the alliance goes through, Chrysler would build vehicles, engines and transmissions based on Fiat technology, in addition to assembling Fiat and Alfa Romeo models at some of its North American assembly plants. Fiat could eventually raise its stake in Chrysler to a controlling 55%.   Multiair can be used on both gasoline and diesel engines. Fiat thinks it will allow diesels to meet strict 2014 European emissions limits without the costly exhaust treatment systems other automakers have said they will use."   Is this a ruse by Fiat to get the Chrysler deal done, or is this new technology for real? Replies to this message: nippononly (Mar 04, 2009 7:34 am)
#62 of 412 Re: Too Good To Be True? [hpmctorque] by nippononly Mar 04, 2009 (7:34 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Mar 04, 2009 4:50 am) Yes. Too good to be true.   Will result in an actual mpg improvement of maybe 10% (if that), as they will end up choosing to boost power at the same time as increasing fuel economy, I'm sure.

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