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gagrice and nippon... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 06, 2009 (7:54 am)
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first gagrice. I looked at that link and man, the tax refund could not exceed your Fed. tax liability. If not for that, I would maybe interested in one. So I'd be paying considerably out-of-pocket for that baby.
 
There's several older dudes around Willcox that drive these little golf cart electrical vehicles around town. I don't think they need to be licensed, but I have only just looked at the guy's cart who takes his to visit his wife at the nursing home that's attached to the hospital I work at.
 
I will look in to it further. It might be a potential answer to going "green" earlier than waiting for my silver blue 2011 BYD e6. The e6 that is going to get 250 miles on one charge. I'll believe that when I see it, though.
 
nippon...yep, they only make the 500 in 2-door hatch style, right? No 4-door versions of the 500? Is there really room for 4-doors? I would want a 4-door version but I don't think such a monster exists. But you're right, the CVT found in my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS will work for me in that car, but not in a 500 Abarth or any Fiat 500 model.
 
I must have a stick shift for me to buy one. I really like it's tiny curvy body style with those awesome bug-eyed headlights. Reminds me of a bugeye Sprite with it's headlights. Love 'em! No, I would have to say that this would be the first Chrysler I'd ever be interested in. Except, of course, the 1973 Plymouth Duster we bought from my Dad in '85! Pretty decent American car, that Duster. Slant 6 automatic and reliable from day one for Mom and Dad and us. The only problem with it when we sold it for $200 in 1992 was it's suspension parts were badly worn and the car would "float" while driving it on I-5! Not a good thing. But I digress.
 
I would hope that Fiatsler would price this pup reasonably. If they do they'll literally sell thousands upon tens of thousands of these in the States.
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Re: gagrice and nippon... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Nov 06, 2009 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 7:54 am)

I am wondering if the tax credit can be taken in more than one year if it exceeds your tax liability.
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Re: things are certainly getting stirred up [nippononly] by andre1969
Nov 06, 2009 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 05, 2009 9:44 pm)

The company also will launch its new Pentastar V6 engine on the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee in the second quarter next year, said Paolo Ferrero, Chrysler's powertrain chief.
  
The Pentastar will replace all Chrysler's V6 engines, from 2.7 liters to 4.0 liters in displacement.

 
I think this is good news, as Chrysler has had too many V-6 engines, IMO, for quite some time now. Right now, they have the 2.7 DOHC, 3.5/4.0 SOHC, 3.3/3.8 pushrod, and 3.7 SOHC.
 
That's just too many. And the 2.7 DOHC is an extremely expensive engine to build. Its market could probably be served just as well by a reduced-displacement version of the 3.5/4.0. In fact, Chrysler used to have just that, a 3.2 version offered from 1998-01. Every vehicle that offers the 2.7 currently also offers the 3.5, so making it fit shouldn't be a problem.
 
The 3.3/3.8 are minivan engines, although the 3.8 also finds its way into the Jeep Wrangler. They're durable, inexpensive, cheap engines, but they're also a bit on the crude side. And the 3.7 is probably only around because it's a V-8 with two cylinders chopped off, so it works well in truck applications, as most everything else just bolts right up, like it would on the V-8.
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gagrice... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 06, 2009 (8:45 am)
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yeah, they have a question and answer section on that website and that may be a possibility. Willcox is the perfect size town to "motor" around in golf cart like that. To get one for free would be quite the score, though.
 
Really, no one drives fast in this podunk cowboy town. Those electric carts would be like the cat's meow here. It's like we're all on atmosphericly-inspired quaaludes of some sort. When I turn on my Foghat and Guess Who in my Lancer, with it's 650-watt Rockford Fosgate stereo, it helps bring some of the Seattle angst to flavor the little sleepy town. Some of the kids in town are making up their own rock bands, but I wonder sometimes if any other adults like to rock at all around here. Unfortunately the cowboy culture flavors everyone to go towards country music here. Oh well.
 
I "plug in" and blast out the 70's rock on a regular basis, though. I'd have to wire in some kind of nice stereo system in my golf cart or it just wouldn't be the same.
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Re: gagrice and nippon... [iluvmysephia1] by nippononly
Nov 06, 2009 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 7:54 am)

No, I would have to say that this would be the first Chrysler I'd ever be interested in.
 
Well remember, the 500 may be sold from Chrysler dealers, but it will have a Fiat badge, not a Chrysler badge. So you won't really be buying a Chrysler.
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That's not what I read... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 06, 2009 (9:41 pm)
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I read that the Fiat 500 will have a Chrysler badge in the U.S. when going up for sale here.
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Re: That's not what I read... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Nov 07, 2009 (6:41 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 06, 2009 9:41 pm)

That's a good thing. I still am stinging from all the repair bills on the Fiat Spyder I bought my son while he was in HS. A cool looking little car that was horribly engineered. I wonder how Chrysler is making out with the GEM car they build. The big fat tax credit has to be moving their little NEVs by the 1000s.
 
http://www.gemcar.com/
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gemcar is yet another all-electric make... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 07, 2009 (10:26 pm)
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that I had not yet heard of. Their brochure is well-thought out and presents the little cars in a good light. The e2 would be the one I would pick to drive around Willcox in. A little 2-seater with a top speed of 35mph and a range of "up to 30 miles."
 
Perfect. It would fit our pocked-up streets just fine. Actually, the City of Willcox is finally paving over the potholes of one of the north-south streets right by our home. They've done the curb-outs on the intersections and then dispappeared to some other project for now, the whole street needs to be re-paved when they get back. I can't wait-it's like running over little logs strewn about the street in order to navigate some of the streets in this town.
 
One of these electric carts would bump right over them easier, though.
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Re: gemcar is yet another all-electric make... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Nov 08, 2009 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 07, 2009 10:26 pm)

The GEM car NEVs may be the oldest. It looks like Daimler bought them in 2000.
 
Over eleven years ago, Global Electric Motorcars introduced its first electric vehicle, and today, still strives to design the most innovative line of vehicles that are versatile, efficient and affordable. With more than 40,000 vehicles on the road, we pride ourselves in manufacturing the world's best electric vehicle.
 
http://www.gemcar.com/models/details.asp?MID=3&ID=309
 
I like the eS with a box on back for shopping. There are also companies that offer power upgrades to kick them up to about 40 MPH. I don't think I would want one any faster than that. Here is a company that has the upgrades for the GEM Cars. Steve posted it somewhere before.
 
http://www.gonev.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1
 
These GEM cars are sold by Chrysler dealers here in San Diego. This is where you will find them in AZ.
 
http://www.hornergroup.com/
 
Better hurry the tax credit may end Dec 31st 2009.
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gagrice... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 08, 2009 (11:24 am)
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yeah, I'm thinkin' on it. I have to decide if it'll cost me more money or save me any money to get one of these little pups or just drive the Lancer GTS around Willcox. It seems to be almost like an extra toy at this point.
 
Why not drive the Lancer GTS until BYD's e6 comes out in 2011 sometime, then I can take it further on down the road, to Tucson, and still have more than enough charge to get back home to Willcox.

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