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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 11, 2009 6:26 am) Your advice is actually very good advice indeed. Avoid the SOHC, avoid the 3 speed auto, and you'd probably be smart to buy one without an AC as well. Problem is some people live in CA where it is HOT and an AC is a necessity. The other problem is I know I'm not the only one that got the SOHC engine with the 3 spd. auto. The BIGGEST problem is that Chrysler and Dodge committed FRAUD by knowingly avoiding the necessity to provide that information to its customers back in 1994-1999. They didn't put a sign up that said "Avoid our 3spd auto as it fails after 60K miles or so" They also didn't provide a warning or caution that the SOHC engine had faulty head gaskets. If Chrysler would have warned about these errors on the Neon, and/or finally stood behind the product by covering the repairs, I'd have a different opinion today. P.S. I know of a friend today that has a late model Neon (2000 or newer) and they drive around with a miscolored red bumber that looks more pink than red like the rest of the car. Why do they drive around in a disfigured car??? Answer: Chrysler won't cover it under warranty and doesn't stand behind their shoddy products. |
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jul 11, 2009 6:19 am) Yes, my American/Domestic vehicle experience happened to also be my "first car' experience. It was and will also be my last; that's how bad. It couldn't have been any worse really, there is no way the experience could have been much worse. Also, my Japanese and German car experiences have been light years superior. I can't figure out why GM & Chrysler didn't go bankrupt BEFORE 1994, are people just dumb? |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 10, 2009 9:22 pm) In my particular experience my Honda was 6,000+ miles past warranty, which was 36,000 miles at the time. I was at 42K and change. Therefore, unless you are accusing Honda of adding about 20% mileage error to their odometers, your excuse carries no weight. I've heard the error is less than 1% off on the odometers. Also, dealeriships have nothing to do with the quality of the vehicle FROM the factory, but they do have everything to do with your experience when something goes wrong. Either they can ignore the problem and not offer warranty help and tell you "parts just break down." Or they can step up to the plate, STAND behind their products, and tell you that you'll get a special extended warranty to cover this UNEXPECTED breakdown and repair. At the Big 3, problems are expected, at Honda and other reliable dealers, problems are UNexpected and even EMBARRASSING to the dealer and automaker.
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Replying to: andres3 (Jul 13, 2009 2:24 pm) One of the best thing to happen to me back in 2000 was the inability to get an Odyssey fast so I had to "settle" for the Chrysler. All 3 of my friends who got the 2000 Odyssey had major issues. All 3 have replaced the transmissions, one was paid for by Honda, the other was beyond 105,00 and Honda wouldn't do it, the third had one tranny replaced by Honda, but it failed later and they wouldn'r replace it for a second time. My T&C shifts wonderfully with 194,000 on it. We need to get back onto C4C but you might want to read all the "satisfied" Honda customers on this thread: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0fa11e?displayRecent
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 13, 2009 12:45 pm) I test drove a Focus and I would need to go on a diet to drive a car that small :0 Maybe that's part of the government plan 
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Replying to: maryh3 (Jul 13, 2009 2:39 pm) Quick! Name ONE automaker who will warranty an automatic transmission beyond 100K miles with no strings or loopholes or service/inspection requirements or extra warranty expense. Answer: NONE. I think 105K is within the range of normal lifespan for an automatic transmission. I'm rather surprised anyone would expect factory help beyond that point. That's $2500 expense over 10 years of use or $250 a year in repairs. Not bad. re: "future classics" -- I have to laugh at that argument, too. As if people are trading in their Shelbys for a $4500 voucher. I think the media often confuses "classic" with "plain old car".
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Having a transmission go out when it's 8 years old is far different than one going out at 4 to 5 years of age. I could live with 8 years of service. Not even Goverment Motors will cover a tranny failure at 5 years and 1 day even if you only have 1 mile on it. Now Hyundai, there's a real car company with a real Warranty; it would be covered.
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Replying to: andres3 (Jul 13, 2009 3:25 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jul 13, 2009 3:25 pm) Quality did improve and the decision to have that long warranty probably saved them. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 13, 2009 3:30 pm) I was pointing out that Hyundai covers it even up to 10 years old or 100K miles, so both mileage and age matter. Another extreme case, a car that is one year old with 100K miles wouldn't generally be expected to be covered. |
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