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Cash for Clunkers - Good or Bad Idea?

4110 messages,  Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [tucsondon] by kdhspyder
Jul 11, 2009 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: tucsondon (Jul 11, 2009 8:25 am)

I don't think that you have to be there in line at 8AM on the 24th like you would for Springsteen tickets but I wouldn't be surprised if the $1 Billion is used up before the 10-31 deadline.
 
If the program is a big success I firmly believe that it will be extended quarter by quarter at least through 6-30-10. Originally the program was foreseen to be 12 months and $4 Billion. I think that this will be the scope of the program.
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [tucsondon] by stephen987
Jul 11, 2009 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: tucsondon (Jul 11, 2009 8:25 am)

For what it's worth, I'm planning to aim for the end of July. Give the dealers a few days to master the procedures, and also take advantage of the end-of-the-month urge to move one more unit.
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [tucsondon] by emmettdog
Jul 11, 2009 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: tucsondon (Jul 11, 2009 8:25 am)

Just bought a Santa Fe last night and O'Brien Hyundai in Ft. Myers Fl had 15 clunkers really to be smashed and mine makes 16. We almost bought a RAV4 but had to wait till the 23rd and I needed a car now. O should have made you buy Amercian only on this program but my gain because F and GM were way more expensive compared to the Santa Fe
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [emmettdog] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: emmettdog (Jul 11, 2009 9:31 am)

So what did these clunkers look like overall? Did they appear to be obvious junkers, very tired cars, etc. or better looking than you would have expected?
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [Mr_Shiftright] by emmettdog
Jul 11, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 11, 2009 9:42 am)

I thought I was on the used car lot except one pretty beat up pickup. I had a 97 chevy with 93k in good condition. In my mind I wonder if they will really trash this or ship it south of the border. Another interesting thing all the dealers asked "if the check engine light is on". In my research it never mentions anything about a check engine light, just it has been insured and you owned it for a year. They asked for a insurance card.
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [emmettdog] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: emmettdog (Jul 11, 2009 10:03 am)

I doubt if most car dealers would risk violations of federal law. These are not mickey mouse curbstoners, these are franchised dealers with multi-million dollar investments. The risk is far too great for the profits IMO, and the more sleazy middlemen they use the riskier it gets. Besides, there's profit enough in recycling right here at home.
 
One question---who gets the $$ for the scrapped car?
 
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [Mr_Shiftright] by kdhspyder
Jul 11, 2009 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 11, 2009 10:15 am)

That's a good question. It could be in any of 3 places
1...the current owner strips as much of the vehicle that he can, keeping it legal, and then turns it over to the dealer
2...the dealer could strip down the clunker for parts and ship the frame and engine to the scrap yard
3...the scrap yard strips off everything and destroys the engine.
 
Any or all of these could get part of the $$$ from the scrapped parts, but...
1...most traders are not car-savvy enough to salvage much from their clunker
2...most dealers are not scrap yards and don't want that junk hanging around messing up the premises. We for example are not at all interested in any amount of scrap and junk around our site. Everything we take in will go immediately to the scrapper. He can have all the proceeds of scrapping it. It doesn't matter to us one way or another.
3...my guess is that the scrappers will get all the revenue
 
Frankly I don't think that the legislation cares who gets what as long as the engine is destroyed.
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [tucsondon] by british_rover
Jul 11, 2009 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: tucsondon (Jul 11, 2009 8:25 am)

I don't think we will know that till the end of the month but I can try to estimate it.
 
Just have to make a couple of assumptions and use Hyundai's last three months of sales.
 
June 37,943
May 36,937
April 33,952
 
OK so the past Hyundai has been picking up steam going into the summer for the past three months so I wouldn't use just the average of the past three months which is 36,277 sales. Lets say they do better then June like the have been doing and they do 38,943 sales for July. That is about 9,700 sales a week and seven percent of that is 681 cars.
 
Granted that is a lot assumptions but without more info there is no other way to do it.
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [kdhspyder] by emmettdog
Jul 11, 2009 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 11, 2009 10:49 am)

The law states you get the 4500 or 3500 plus the scrap valve of the car. Bet most people didn't ask for that. Found it on www.car.gov .
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [emmettdog] by kdhspyder
Jul 11, 2009 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: emmettdog (Jul 11, 2009 11:02 am)

Sorry that's NOT true...but neither is it clear. Here is what the cars.gov site says
 
[quote]
In addition to the credit, will I get the full value of my trade-in vehicle?
 
No. The law requires your trade-in vehicle to be destroyed. Therefore, the value you negotiate with the dealer for your trade-in vehicle is not likely to exceed its scrap value. The law requires the dealer to disclose to you an estimate of the scrap value of your trade-in vehicle.
[unquote]
 
The dealer only has to tell you what the estimate of the scrap value is. It doesn't say that you have any right to get any of that value. It says nothing about it. That's an individual discussion between each trader and each dealer. If one dealer is willing to give you all or part of that value then that sounds like a good deal for you, but it's not required.

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