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Cash for Clunkers - Good or Bad Idea?

4110 messages,  Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

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What is this discussion about? Legislation, Truck, Sedan, Wagon, SUV

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Re: Someone pays for it. [kdhspyder] by sf2
Jul 10, 2009 (10:19 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 10, 2009 1:44 pm)

I must have come to the wrong conversation, i thought this was Cash for Clunkers
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Re: Someone pays for it. [andres3] by mickeyrom
Jul 11, 2009 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jul 10, 2009 2:03 pm)

That bad,huh?
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I need some input. by mickeyrom
Jul 11, 2009 (6:24 am)
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I have a 97 Town & Country that I am considering "entering" into this program.Does this car deserve to be squashed and replaced with a Fit or a Hyundai wagon,I forget it's name.Or should just keep this old Mopar with 155,000 miles on it? I just recently replaced a compressor and a rear wheel bearing.Is that a bad sign?
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Re: Someone pays for it. [andres3] by british_rover
Jul 11, 2009 (6:26 am)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jul 10, 2009 2:03 pm)

We have been over this before. You had a very bad Neon I am sorry. I know plenty of people who had good Neons. I worked on plenty of good Neons. Get the DOHC motor not the SOHC and watch out for oil seepage at the back of the head gasket. Oh and always get a manual trans that three speed auto was junk. The Neon is an infinitely better car then the Caliber that replaced it that's for sure.
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Re: Someone pays for it. [kdhspyder] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 10, 2009 6:13 pm)

As it should be. A good leader in a democracy sets a goal, gathers his/her allies, and has Congress and private industry figure out how to do it, or modify it if it won't fly. Dictating from the top, whether it be GM or the White House, is a bad idea. The isolated CEO, or Board of Directors, is headed for a trainwreck IMO.
 
GM has long been guilty of an "ivory tower" mentality, up there on the 14th floor. Couldn't tell 'em nothin', they knew all the answers before the game was even played out.
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Re: I need some input. [mickeyrom] by steve_ HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jul 11, 2009 6:24 am)

I have a '99 minivan that I want to trade. My '97 wagon doesn't qualify, but it only has half the miles of your van so it's a keeper for a while longer anyway.
 
The Fit is a lot like a shrunken minivan and you may like it. I haven't checked out the Hyundai wagons. But either rig is likely to keep you out of the shop for years longer than your high mileage T&C. And either could save you, oh, maybe $6,000 over 100,000 miles in gas expenses (depending on how much mpg you gain, assuming $3 a gallon gas, and assuming my wife's estimates are right, etc. - she went through that exercise a week ago).
 
While saving $4,500 is nice, the flip side is that you'll still spend at least ten or twelve thousand getting into the new ride. That buys a new crate engine or transmission rebuild, neither of which you may ever need.
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Re: Someone pays for it. [Mr_Shiftright] by srs_49
Jul 11, 2009 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 10, 2009 5:04 pm)

IBM came back from the dead. So did Denny's. So did Peugeot, so did Ferrari.
 and now....Woolworths

 
Sure, it can happen,given the proper mix of talent, will and, to a large extent luck (as in picking the right product mix).
 
And now for examples of those that did not come back from the dead:
Montgomery Wards
AT&T (bought by SBC communications
EJ Korvettes
Two Guys
Digital Equipment Corp (bought by Compaq, I believe)
Compaq Computers (merged with HP)
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Re: I need some input. [mickeyrom] by british_rover
Jul 11, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jul 11, 2009 6:24 am)

I would also take a look at the Mazda5 if you wanted to retain more of the Minivan feel in a small package. You can get a Mazda5 in a manual and it qualifies for the rebate in either automatic or manual. The mileage won't be as good as the Fit or Elantra wagon but more cargo capacity and seats six I think.
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Re: Someone pays for it. [srs_49] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: srs_49 (Jul 11, 2009 7:23 am)

Actually the failure of AT&T was a benefit to mankind, so don't include that one.
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Re: hmhhh Hyundai got a... [british_rover] by tucsondon
Jul 11, 2009 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 10, 2009 6:12 pm)

I'd be curious to see the NUMBER of C4C sales that Hyundai has made during the first week, rather than the percentage. That will be a pretty good indicator of how quickly the first $1B in C4C funding will be used up. Anybody have that info?
 
I've seen both arguments: That the $1B in funding will go quickly, or that there aren't enough qualifying vehicles (or people with good enough credit) to use the full allotment. Since I'm planning to take advantage of the program (will be trading in my '94 Mazda B4000 and getting a Ford Escape), I'm wondering if I should be ready to run with it right on July 24th.

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